12. Public Hearing on Permit Application No. 14-98 from Montezuma Wetlands, LLC, to Use Dredge Materials to Construct Wetlands in the Suisun Marsh, in an unincorporated area of Solano County near Collinsville. Bob Batha, BCDC Chief of Permits, explained to the Commission that this project proposed by Montezuma Wetlands would create 1,800 acres of tidal marsh in a diked area of the Suisun Marsh using dredged materials. The Staff believes the project raises the following issues: 1) whether sufficient safeguards are in place to protect Bay water quality, 2) whether site preparation or dredged material placement should be limited to certain times of the year to minimize wildlife disturbance, 3) whether the proposed public access facilities are consistent with the policies of the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan and Solano County's policies and regulations governing the Suisun Marsh which call for providing a balance of recreational needs consistent with the protection of wildlife, 4) whether the project is consistent with the Port and water-related industrial designations of a portion of the site, 5) whether the project is consistent with the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan Policies on Land Use and Water Management which call for returning historic marshes to wetland status, and 6) whether the lighting and above-ground utilities proposed as part of the project are consistent with the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan Policies on Utilities and Preservation and Enhancement of Marsh Habitat. Doug Lipton, the Project Manager for Montezuma Wetlands stated that it has been a long road for this project. Ten years ago Mr. Lipton last spoke to the Commission with regard to the last state permit for the Montezuma Wetlands Project. Mr. Lipton explained that he is an independent consultant and has been on the project for ten years, formerly a principal scientist at Levine Fricke Company, and prior to that after receiving his Doctorate at U.C. Berkeley, worked at USGS and also Lawrence Berkeley Labs evaluating soil and wetlands environments and contaminant issues. He then introduced Roger Leventhal, the lead engineer and Rachel Bonnefill, Ecologist who have worked closely together with numerous staff and agency experts, as well as regional scientists and researchers from U.C. Berkeley, San Francisco State, and the San Francisco Estuary. Jim Levine is the project founder and vision behind this project and has helped to maintain the project through very intensive evaluations and permitting efforts. Mr. Lipton proceeded to give a brief overview of the project with the aid of an overhead slide presentation. This project really satisfies the goals and policies of all the LTMS agencies, including BCDC's policies, and the dreams of all the regional scientists and restoration and biology experts around this region. It beneficially reuses dredged sediment that is commonly dumped in the Bay or in the ocean. It will be restoring wetlands and those wetlands will be restored to tidal wetlands. The sediments that will be used are strictly approved by the State of California and the U.S. E.P.A. as sediment that are suitable and approved for use in wet aquatic wetland environments. In addition, the project also has an interesting feature in that it can rehandle clean sediment, dewater it, and dry it out for reuse in beneficial projects in the Delta for farm protection, for water supply protection, and for habitat restoration projects. After ten years of intensive efforts by BCDC Staff, as well as all the other agency staff evaluating this project, there is unanimous approval, which is really quite remarkable, from all of the permitting and resource agencies. This led Solano County to certify the EIR by a five to zero vote, as well as unanimous votes on the county permit and marsh development permit. Finally, the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service, which is the most critical agency of all to say anything positive about any restoration project, even their own, concluded in 1998 before the applicant went before the County to certify the EIR that in fact this project would be beneficial for the estuary. Just recently, several months ago, in the draft biological opinion, the conclusion was exactly the same. Mr. Lipton was hopeful that the Commission will see that this project is indeed beneficial for the estuary and is something it can embrace as being consistent with its policies. Mr. Lipton showed an aerial photograph, an infrared photograph of the Suisun Marsh area, indicating a healthy vegetation. Suisun Marsh has 50,000 acres of wetlands, predominantly seasonal wetlands, and for that very reason, the site that's located on the Eastern edge of the Suisun Marsh near the Sacramento San Joaquin Rivers and the Bay waters, about 81,000 acres, serve as a recovery plan, for tidal wetlands and recovery of endangered fish species, and it's also been endorsed by the San Francisco Goals Project as a site that should be restored to tidal wetlands. It was essentially diked 100 years ago for farming, and when you put perimeter dikes around a wetland area and you drain it, it oxidizes and the site has fallen about ten feet. Currently, it's degraded agricultural land, containing some wetlands values, but because of the degraded habitat and the potential to enhance its habitat, all the agencies think it should be restored. Because it's fallen ten feet below sea level, it needs sediment to bring it up to an inter-tidal marsh elevation. The only way to do that is to bring in dredge sediment. The vision for what the marsh will look like would be an inter-tidal marsh with emergent vegetation and channels for fish to swim in. Mr. Lipton showed as an example how Muzzy Marsh was restored using similar sediment. This project was done in the 80's, so back then they actually didn't have the very critical close evaluation of sediment quality like they do now, so there was nothing called noncover sediment back here. Mr. Lipton pointed to the different types of habitats that applicant wants to restore to promote different types of special status species and recovery of species. The project is about 2,400 acres and predominantly will be low marsh land. On one side of the proposed project the applicant will rehandle the clean sediment that's in these ponds and there's another portion of that facility separated by engineering and levees and space, that contains the make-up water pond where water will be re-used to pump and transfer the sediment that comes in barges to the site into the restoration area. There is a public use area that exists now, the Day Use Area that's run by the Department of Water Resources, and the applicant has worked closely with the Design Review Board over a couple months answering all their questions and issues. There will be public access along that Day Use Area along the levee up to the future breach in Phase II, and then there will be a future public access area along the future Phase II/IV levee enabling people to look back at the marsh. The engineering features are really relatively simple. Basically, barges that contain 4,000 to 7,000 tons of cubic yards of sediment will be coming in the deep waters of the Bay, docking at the off-loading facility, for which the applicant obtained a lease from State Lands for that area of the site. Shallow ground water will be pumped from the site in a way that is the most environmentally effective way to do it. The applicant will be using existing sand that's on the site to pump the shallow ground water that's directly connected to the Bay, so in a sense the sand will be used to filter the water. This is far more ideal than just throwing a pipe out into the Bay and pumping water through fish screens that is often done on other projects. The water will be put into the make-up water pond where the applicant can manage the water and where it can be monitored very closely in accordance with the Water Board Permit. That water will be pumped into the barge and slurring the sediments so that it can be brought to about 80 percent water. It can then be pumped into a pipeline into the restoration or into the rehandling area where levees will rim the area where the sediment is placed, essentially serving as sediment settling ponds. The noncover sediment is placed at the bottom of those ponds also behind another set of containment levees. Mr. Lipton noted that with this understanding of what the project is about, all the benefits and all of the unanimous support from all the agencies, remarkably and sadly there's still a lot of issues that the public and certain members of the opponents that really have wanted to kill this project every step along the way continue to raise. All of these issues have either been settled by the technical experts at all the agencies, or the courts. The EIR adequacy is one big issue that, ever since the document came out two and a half years ago, was contested as being inadequate. Clearly, after all the technical experts reviewed and answered questions, it convinced the Board of Supervisors in Solano County to vote 5/0 that it was adequate. That ruling or decision was appealed and then the Superior Court of Solano County actually ruled in favor, that indeed it was adequate and actually made the very interesting statement that the County had in fact bent over backwards, to use their language, to satisfy all the requirements of CEQA. And then again, the opponents appealed that court's ruling to the Appellate Court, and recently the Appellate Court in San Francisco again upheld that the EIR was indeed adequate. The opponents weren't happy with that decision and requested that they re-hear it, and they said no. Groundwater and salinity is another big area of issues that the opponents have brought up. Again, the groundwater salinity issues have vetted thoroughly through the ten-year process. In fact, additionally, the Water Board in their permit required the applicant to do additional field work that was completed before they issued the permit that, in fact, further confirmed that there would be no impacts to ground water or salinity. One of the reasons for that, the noncover sediment, the material that's slightly less clean than cover material, doesn't leech contaminants. In fact, it leeches contaminants at levels that's below drinking water standards and, even more importantly, at non-detect and part per billion levels that are near the most stringent water quality criteria below the water quality criteria for adverse effects to the most sensitive aquatic organisms; larvae that have just been born and evaluated and tested. But still, the opponents, Save The Bay, and Baykeeper, it was those groups have claimed that the Water Board's Permit was not adequate and that they should have issued another permit. Mr. Lipton pointed to letters from the primary federal agencies that evaluate for permits, the U.S. E.P.A. and the Corps of Engineers, et al. that are in strong support of the Water Board's Permit. In fact a letter from the E.P.A. states that they do not agree that the discharges from the site must be regulated under an NPDS permit. Nothing in the Petitioner's Response changes our view that it is reasonable and appropriate for the Water Board to regulate the discharge of dredge material and decant water through WDR's rather than an NPDS. Again, harmed and endangered species is something mentioned in some of the recent articles in the paper. They still claim that this project will be destroying endangered species, and yet the agencies have concluded the opposite. Next, Mr. Lipton addressed the issue of contaminants. Essentially, all sediment in the Bay and the estuary is contaminated with metals and organics, with trace metals like copper and zinc and with heavy metals like mercury and with organic chemicals like pesticides. Therefore, all sediment used to restore wetlands contain contaminants. Whether you use dredge sediment that's been dredged from the shipping channels, or whether you have a natural restoration project that allows the tides to bring in sediment from the Bay like Karl's Marsh on the Petaluma River. The contaminant issue is exactly why all of the agency staff and the regional experts have paid so much attention to developing and testing protocols and evaluation procedures over the last decades. That is what the applicant uses and people like the Port of Oakland spend millions of dollars to test their sediment to evaluate the contaminant levels, and then to evaluate the leechability and to evaluate the bio-availability of those contaminants in different environments. That is also why there's a number of sediment designations that the agencies use. They have some acronyms that they use and the ones that apply to the wetland restoration projects are the wetland creation cover and noncover sediment. These are really the two cleanest categories of sediment in the Bay and, in fact, noncover sediment often passes the bioassay test for dumping in the ocean and in the Bay. One of the really unfortunate distortions of this whole issue of contaminants and designations is, when they say that noncover sediment is not suitable for an aquatic environment, that's not true. It's not the same as the new add material that's not suitable for unconfined aquatic disposal. As a trained chemist Mr. Lipton then showed the Commission some figures that illustrate the point very clearly. These involved graphs of Chromium, Lead and Nickel in parts per million, with a number of different categories and types of sediment. In red it shows the hazardous levels for each of these chemicals, and in fact those concentrations are above those bar graphs. These metals are actually bound on the right side in orange bar graphs that actually indicate the levels that are appropriate to use for residential and single family homes. So the sediment the applicant is taking at their site is not hazardous at all. It's much much less, and it's actually similar. The Port of Oakland's highest concentrations in their noncover sediment are shown in the dark blue purplish bar, compared to Suisun Marsh here in the light blue is very similar. And in fact, what's dumped in the ocean currently in and at Alcatraz is shown in the light blue, and in fact similar to what's been dumped in the ocean and in the Bay, and in Chromium's case it's actually lower, but again, because of bio- availability that doesn't mean that Chromium level is not safe for putting in the ocean or Bay. The graphs provide virtually the same sort of picture for two chemicals that are of great concern to the agencies and all the technical experts that have reviewed this project, and that is mercury and DDT because they bio-accumulate. The highest concentrations of Mercury the applicant will be taking from the Port of Oakland are similar to what's in Suisun Marsh, and actually very similar to what's been dumped in the ocean and the Bay. Because Mercury is so highly bound up, it's not as available. And for DDT, it's interesting to note that the highest concentrations of that chemical in the Port of Oakland sediment is actually on order of magnitude below than what's commonly dumped in the Bay. So again, a lot of this material would otherwise be dumped into the ocean or the Bay over the long term if there's not a project like Montezuma that can take this noncover material. Where are all these contaminants coming from? The conclusion from this data is that certainly this site is not a hazardous site as has often been characterized by the opponents or at toxic waste dump sites where the make-up water pond is a cesspool of contaminates, nor is the rehandling facility a contaminated treatment facility. The noncover sediment is in fact very similar to what's already out there in the cleanest parts of the marsh. The data Mr. Lipton actually showed came from the clean parts of Suisun Marsh. There definitely are other parts and there has been some recent work done at U.C. Davis and CalFed that has also shown that. The marshes are not pristine, but that's not a problem. That's what Mother Nature designed them to do. They filter our water so our aquatic resources remain clean, our drinking water sources can remain clean, and they essentially serve as the liver of our ecosystem. So the marshes are built up from sediment from a number of different sources, including soils that naturally contain metals. A lot of our marine soils out of the Central Valley leak Selenium or Arsenic, the soils that came out of the Central Valley a hundred years ago when they were mining for heavy metals and gold, and mercury came down; tidal waters that bring up sediment from the Bay at a rate of half a million gallons of water per second that comes up from the Golden Gate bringing salt and sediment, tons of sediment up with it, and run off from the valley farms. Luckily Mother Nature has devised an amazing system where sediments and soils have these remarkable solid phases and features, the clays and the iron hydroxides and organic matter that tightly bind metals and organics. Additionally, a wet marsh environment is the perfect place to put these because that wet environment keeps oxygen out so that the microorganisms, the bacteria and the fungi, can actually create these anaerobic conditions that form sulfides. And sulfides are the strongest binders of our heavy metals and, lo and behold, mercury is probably the most tightly bound of any of those heavy metals, and organic compounds remain tightly bound to sediment as well. Mr. Lipton further pointed out that the data has shown that noncover is in fact very similar to what is out there and not that contaminated at all, and that this project will be putting in an environment that's effective and will actually show that additional engineering designs and protections were applied to further isolate this noncover material. An important feature here is that the noncover sediment again is in a small portion at the bottom of the site. In Phase I the project will take on the Port of Oakland sediment and only ten percent of the total volume of that entire phase will be noncover. The rest will be this cleaner cover material that will be over it by at least three feet. Another important feature is that the noncover is behind compacted levees that are at least 200-feet away from a water body and channel. There was a recent letter written by Save The Bay that somehow claimed that these interior levees are going to restrict tidal hydrology, which is beyond a hydrologist's understanding because these levees are actually below mean high water and they're not going to impede flow. The channels have been over-sized to bring in enough tidal prisms so that won't be a problem at all. The other important feature to notice is where the noncover is relative to the tide heights. The Noncover is four-feet below mean high tide level on not even the highest tide line, and it's another foot below the mean tide line. At the State Lands hearing, the opponents brought up the fact that the crayfish, because they burrow three-feet, will get into the noncover because there is only a three-feet cover, but the critical fact they left out is that crayfish, yes, will burrow three feet above the high tide line. They're certainly not going to go another four-feet through anaerobic sediment where there's no air to get to the noncover sediment. In addition to the engineering constraints and design, the applicant had to make this project really safe as possible. There are additional permitting constraints and a monitoring program like nothing they've seen, and certainly like nothing the applicant client has seen. It's two-inches thick. The Water Board and Corps staff who review mitigation and monitoring reporting plans said it is the most comprehensive they had ever seen. This is all monitoring that will be done through each phase of the project, and for decades after the project. Additionally, the county has about 102 permit conditions all tied exactly to this monitoring plan, and county and Water Board permits also require additional financial assurances. The applicant will be putting up millions of dollars of cash deposit to ensure that the closure of each of the phases and the monitoring over the long term will be done effectively and for 20 to 30 years. Additionally, there will be environmental impairment insurance; those agencies have asked for a couple million dollars and, in fact, the insurance agents were just out at the site a couple days ago with their technical folks and confirmed that it was a minimal enough risk that can be insured for many millions more. Going back to the original vision of the project, which has really sustained the applicant and all the staff that's worked so hard on this project and worked closely with all the agencies, the applicant is committed to work closely with each of the staffs at all of the agencies and is committed to work with as many members of the public and the regional experts that want to participate, and the technical advisory groups that will be reviewing all of the quarterly and annual monitoring reports. Commissioner Waldeck noted that the Regional Water Quality Control Board approved this project about six months ago. He asked for a clarification of cover vs. noncover material. Dr. Lipton explained that this will be thoroughly evaluated before it comes to the site and all the environmental review and testing that's required of any dredger, be it the Corps of Engineers or the Port of Oakland, that wants to remove sediment from their shipping channels. And that material, all the sediment, is tested through, again, a very intensive environmental review public process, sampled and evaluated in total chemistry and leechability and then bioassay tests, and then compared against all the relative criteria and different criteria that the agencies use to make that determination. There are clear evaluation and guidelines that they use to determine what's cover sediment, and then what's noncover sediment. Typically, for example, at the Port of Oakland, the sediment at the Port of Oakland that is noncover is really not noncover because it fails bioassay tests or it couldn't be dunked in the ocean. If it doesn't meet the cover criteria, say, for a certain concentration of a chemical, it might be slightly higher. And so that concentration would cause it then to be in the noncover category, whereas when you're evaluating it for disposal in the ocean, and this is where the confusion comes in, that doesn't matter because what matters is the bio-availability of that concentration of that contaminant in the environment. Commissioner Waldeck asked if it could be assumed through this that cover material will be found somewhere along the way. Dr. Lipton noted that that's exactly what all the testing that they've done has defined for them. They've gone out and taken the borings on locations that are evaluated by GPS to know exactly where they are, and they pinpointed certain areas of the sediment that will be cover or noncover material, will be clean, or will have different other uses. These areas are defined with the agency's review and through the whole public process. Commissioner Rippey referred to Dr. Lipton mentioning the extensive testing and monitoring and wondered how much of that information is going to be available, the various levels of the materials, and the contaminants that might be in the materials. Also, how are they going to be available and are they going to be readily available or are they going to be available on a daily basis. Would some of it be proprietary and how much is going to be available. Dr. Lipton stated this was spelled out very clearly in the MMRP; that the applicant has certain reporting requirements that are sometimes weekly, sometimes monthly, sometimes quarterly, and sometimes annually, dependent on the type of monitoring done or the water quality data, or the agitation data. So all that will be made available to the public agencies and the applicant has also committed to, and it's part of the permit condition as well, to have a technical advisory group made up of public and regional interested parties to evaluate that and hear what the data is. This would include the testing of the sediments. There is an extensive confirmation testing program in place that will be testing sediments as they come off the barges, as they go into the sediments, as they go into the sediment cells, and then there will be ongoing water quality. The testing of the contaminants is probably going to be available anywhere from weekly to monthly. Commissioner Rippey wanted to know if this information would be available at a website or quickly available, or if one would have to wait for a report to be prepared, and then not see it for a couple months. Dr. Lipton explained that, certainly when it goes to the lab, you get it back and it takes some time to do quality assurance/quality control evaluations. It would typically take a week or two turnaround time. Then in terms of putting it on a website, there has been a lot of discussions about how to make it available to the public and also the interested parties that are reviewing the monitoring program will see the data and be able to see where it came from, when it was collected. The applicant has committed to a process, certainly with the county staff and the Water Board staff, that they are committed to present their monitoring data at least on an annual basis to the agency, and open to the public so they can see what the data is and how that data is evaluated. Commissioner Rippey inquired, as the project is phased in, could Dr. Lipton explain how the applicant proposes, as this project is built, to phase-out. He noted that a lot of the concerns that have been raised by the neighbors, particularly some of the adjoining property owners, is that the applicant is converting the area to a quasi-industrial site over and above what the actual impacts might be. He asked what was the long term plan to phase out as the project reaches completion. Dr. Lipton explained that with regard to the industrial aspect, currently at the site there's Jericho rehandling facility that rehandles sands and oyster shells and crushes that. What the applicant proposes to do is not that much different. The barge traffic up there and the off-loading process for that will take 10-15 years for the restoration of the project, depending upon the rate that sediment is available from the different channel deepening and Corps and navigation projects. Then the rehandling facility could operate as long as the agencies want it to. And certainly with CalFed and Department of Water Resources and all the agencies' interest to get clean sediment up in the Delta for habitat restoration, water protection, and farmland protection, there's a real interest to see that rehandling facility continue. However, the applicant needs a use permit from the County before it can continue past the restoration phase of the project. Commissioner Rippey stated he was just concerned about the additional equipment and activities that are required to do this particular project, not any smaller projects or future projects. What would the phase-out period for this aspect of it be. Dr. Lipton said that for the restoration aspect, it would be 10-15 years. When that's finished, then the rehandling aspect can only continue if a permit is obtained. If no permit is obtained, then the activities cease, the pumps will be removed and the equipment and the infrastructure improvements. If there's no continuation beyond the end of this project, there are conditions in the permit or in the contracts that require the applicant to remove the equipment and to phase out. One of the biggest parts of the financial assurances is for closure of post-closure, meaning not only each phase is closed, but that fourth phase is closed. When that's done, then there are certain very specific requirements to get rid of whatever limited infrastructure that is really there, to get to move that off. The project, as was originally envisioned and evaluated in the EIR, was going to have diesel pumps. And now everything is going to be electrified in terms of off-loading materials. This means the noise and the pollution from the actual operations will be far far less than what was in the EIR. Commissioner Rippey then asked if Dr. Lipton had discussed the change in the project that is indicated and some of the letters BCDC received. Dr. Lipton indicated he had no, because that's a essentially a red herring. The project has been virtually the same. There are design details that have been modified each one to enhance the project and to minimize potential adverse impacts, which is what the opponents have dealt with and all the courts have agreed that the project, those revisions that all the opponents are saying were so major, are actually all done to minimize adverse impacts. Sandre Swanson, Chief of Staff for Congresswoman Barbara Lee stated he also served 25 years with Congressman Dellums. Both offices have been monitoring the project for a long time and have been satisfied with the due diligence and also feel it's a win win situation. There's great synergy here in the Bay Area and obviously this project assists the Port of Oakland with its $1.7 Billion expansion and all the positives that are involved with that, but also the development of this wetlands is very important to us and it was important to Congressman Dellums and now it's very important to Congresswoman Lee. He also stated that he has been paying very close attention to all the permitting processes that have taken place here. Both Congresswoman Lee and Congressman Dellums endorse the approval of this with that in mind. Larry Kolb, Assistant Executive Officer with the San Francisco Bay Regional Water Board stated he was here today to briefly review the bases for the Board's action last July in approving this project and then to respond to any questions. At the outset, he stressed that the sediments that are used for marsh restoration for this project are already in the Bay. If we accept that dredging is necessary, the question becomes where's the best, or one might say the least, bad place to dispose of this material. Heretofore, the practice has been to dump this material back into the Bay, mostly at the Alcatraz site. The upland disposal is preferable to dumping sediments into the Bay. Under proper regulation, it carries far fewer environmental risks. The moving away from Bay dumping is one of the key recommendations of the Long Term Management Strategy for dredge material. The order adopted by the Regional Board last July regulated the Montezuma project in two ways. First it established limits on the quality of what could be discharged into the Bay from the decant water and these are consistent with the tight standards in the Regional Board's Basin Plan. Secondly, it sets standards for the quality of the sediments that could be used for cover and noncover material in accordance with the Board's guidance document on this subject. The guidance document was adopted by the Board in 1992 in anticipation and indeed in the hope that wetlands creation projects would be proposed in lieu of dumping dredge material into San Francisco Bay. The Board's policy was based on the best available science and underwent extensive peer review. Mr. Kolb made this point because a lot of the objections to this project are actually opposition to the Board's Guidance document on wetlands creations that was adopted in 1992. He said he knew of no dredge material disposal project that has undergone such extensive environmental review by the staff and by the staffs of the other resource agencies at the state, local, federal level. And all of those agencies have concurred that this is a safe project. The last thing anybody wants is to approve a project that causes harm, and he did not think this project will cause harm. In closing, the late great Mark Reisner. said that wildlife habitat cannot be reserved to those few pristine wilderness areas that remain. If we are to retain our wildlife heritage, we have to find ways for human activities and wildlife to co-exist and to accomplish this in areas that are no longer pristine. Mr. Kolb suggested that the Montezuma project helps implement that vision. Steve Chappell, Executive Director of the Suisun Resource Conservation District said he was asked by his Board to come here today to voice one area of concern. In the Staff Report in the Application Summaries Section, one issue is raised, the construction window. Currently, it's proposed under the existing regulations the restrictions to the construction window is October 15th through April 15th, but there's no work activities conducted on Suisun Marsh and that's under the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan. The Board had expressed concern that if there is an extension or a waiver on this that there may be detrimental effects to wintering water foul and the adjacent land uses in the marsh, primarily the water foul hunting and the impacts to the adjacent properties on the other side of Montezuma Slough. So under consideration as a mitigation, as discussed here, it says possibly allowing work activities to be conducted on off-shoot days. Typically in the marsh, hunting activities are conducted Saturdays, Sundays, and Wednesdays, but there's no hunting activities Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays. This is done by design with the hunting clubs to allow the wildlife and the wintering water birds to use the wetlands undisturbed during this period. The concern is about activities such as driving piles and heavy equipment operation during those days as well that would be detrimental. So on behalf of the Resource Conservation District, Mr. Chappell asked the Commission to consider limiting work activities from October 1 or October 15th. It would be preferred to be October 1 through the end of January for wintering water fowl, and then maybe if there was a slip in the time frame, allowing it to go some time after February 1st of any work season. Currently the land owners in the marsh abide by the current restrictions with the exception of emergency work, and a waiver allowing them to do activities for emergency levee repairs and things like that during that window would be applicable and necessary to protect the integrity of the program. So with that, the only other thing is just the general position of the Resource Conservation District with this project. SRCD did not take a position when Solano County was considering this as it didn't have the technical staff to review the document. The issues for the contaminants have been addressed and the concern is that SRCD would like to be an active participant through this process on the technical review and assure that Levine-Fricke honor some of the commitments that were made to the marsh and to the landowners as being good neighbors. Margaret Emmington, a 96-years-old resident of Collinsville stated that it was the father of her husband who first came to Collinsville before the Turn of the Century. But she, too, knows the wonders of this area and the beauties. She said she also knows the importance of the Suisun Marsh. She knows about the vernal pools in the marsh, about the pickleweeds and has seen the pickleweed that the little marsh mouse feeds on. She knows the little river otters that are so important and has seen the great flocks of birds as they feed in the marsh. She has had the pleasure of eating very often fish from our great flowing Sacramento River. But, she now has to tell that the birds are not as plentiful as they were and that the salmon seem to be gone. The once clear waters at Collinsville all year long are full of salinity. She felt sure that the Montezuma Wetlands Project is also, as well as proposing to save the marsh, really a plan to develop a Port at Collinsville. She said she was convinced that this plan would ruin the beauty, the ecosystem of this truly unique area. She urged the Commission to vote no on the Suisun Wetlands Project. There needs to be in this world and in this part of California some parts which are not completely industrial. Please protect the ecosystem and the health of this area by voting no on the project. Leslie Emmington-Jones expressed her appreciation of Bob Batha. He raised issues. They're there for discussion. They're all laid out in the Staff Report. With regard to the first one, not-sufficient safeguards, she pointed out two items that deserve note and there are many others. The first is in this article from a newspaper in Rio Visa referring to a request to BCDC not to approve any wetlands project until U.C. Davis completes its very important basic report about the mercury. Whatever is said by the project proponent there are very serious questions about activating mercury in the present time and about wetlands that are shallow, even activating the mercury further. This is a very important report and should be on BCDC's next agenda, as well as this project. There's reference to the bio-solids that are up in the agricultural land. Bio- solids that are being used in the agricultural lands and the Montezuma Hills are actually by the Water Quality Control Board prohibited from being within the sensitive areas such as the Suisun Marsh. So that's a mis-connect there and the Commission should know that. Those are two items of not sufficient safeguards. The reference to the breeding season seems contrary. It seems to flaunt the Suisun Protection Plan and she assumed BCDC would think that too. Is this a construction project or is this a wetlands protection project? It shouldn't be that the Port of Oakland drives this project. She pointed out that there's a Mare Island Project coming before the Commission and it has very significant alternative capacity for $10 million cubic yards of the material that wouldn't be put near or by the Suisun Marsh. Ms. Emmington said that Commissioner Rippey raised the point of designation and it's very very fundamental to understanding whether this is actually a landfill. Chair Kaufman interrupted Ms. Emmington and Commissioner Gioia asked if it would be possible if she has written material to have that submitted. David Lewis, Executive Director of Save The Bay stated he has a great deal of respect for Jim Levine as an entrepreneur and a creative businessman, and respect for him as a former member of this Commission and colleague of many of the commissioners. This permit is not about a person, and it's not about the bona fide needs of a person or an institution. It's about a special place, as the previous speakers have mentioned. But it's also a special place because it's one of those diked drained historic lands that is formerly part of the Bay, formerly tidal marsh, that can be restored. Mr. Lewis said he wanted to emphasize that it can be restored faster, cheaper, and more safely with a project that does not involve the noncover material. He encouraged the Commission to require that as a condition of the permit, that none of that material be used. Save The Bay has been very supportive of trying to restore marshlands around the Bay, including those that require the use of dredge material to raise the basic elevation, clean dredge material. Some very important lessons in this still young science of marsh creation using dredge material have been learned. The most important one is to try as much as possible to let nature take its course. Now there are some in the environmental community who believe that means we should never use dredge material, just allow the tides to deposit sediment naturally. Save The Bay does not share that point of view, but does believe that when you use dredge material, the way to have a high quality marsh be created as quickly as possible is to not over-engineer the project. And the extra levees that are a part of this project, which have been put there, yes, to contain the wetland noncover sediment, also inhibit the flow of the tides. They direct water to certain parts of the site very intentionally. And that means less water will get to other parts of the site where nature might naturally take it. The Port of Oakland can and would take this noncover material elsewhere if this site is not available to it, either because it's not ready or it's not permitted for that purpose by the Commission. Mr. Lewis stated that the overall project will cost less, including costing the project manager less, if these extra precautions for contaminated material do not have to be taken, and these extra levees do not have to be built, and that extra care does not have to be taken. So as Mr. Lewis' longer letter to the Commission suggests, he would encourage BCDC to insist on changes in the project that obviate the need for expensive construction of the separate cells and would not use noncover material and its contaminants at the site. Those changes would also remove some of the pressure to accelerate construction during the periods of time that the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan forbids it to protect water fowl. Mr. Lewis was looking forward to an altered project that Save The Bay can whole heartedly endorse and encourage the Commission to endorse. Paul Goettlich, a resident of Oakland stated he saw this project as an opening of the Bay to ships, period. He could not see this as a restoration, period. Using the term "restoration" for this project is ridiculous. One of the toxicants in this dredge spoils is Dioxin. Dioxin's toxicity must be measured in parts per quadrillion. It mimics the endocrine system's hormone estrogen in all animals. Estrogen works in parts per trillion. This project is going to be monitored in parts per million. Now that's, about, six orders of magnitude lower than the chemical that they're monitoring acts on all animals. That's one point. Another point is that the National drinking water standards are by no means adequate for anything. Third point, in hearing the proponents of this project speak that heavy metals and organics will be bound completely to the soil, he was reminded of a chemical engineer who spoke to him years ago that the chemicals and plastics are completely bound and non-toxic, which we know now is totally wrong. And one of these chemicals mimics estrogen. Well, many of them in plastics mimic estrogen and we're seeing all these problems. And there's many many studies that show these things. He offered to give BCDC this. The measurements that'll be done, the testing on this project, are woefully inadequate. Marc Holmes, the Wetlands Restoration Program Director for the Bay Institute of San Francisco stated that his organization is opposed to the project and, contrary to Dr. Lipton's presentation on its behalf, the Bay Institute believes that there are crucial matters that have yet to be considered by any agencies that are the specific purview and responsibility of this Commission. First, the project's primary purpose is not to restore wetlands, but to establish a contaminated waste dump within the largest wetland wildlife refuge in California. Because the purpose is misrepresented, the proposal includes several elements that directly conflict with the policies of the Suisun Marsh Protection Act. It vastly expands construction activities in order to prepare the site to receive contaminated materials. The site must be ditched and drained to increase the subsidence level to enable contaminants to be buried deep enough to secure necessary approvals. These activities are otherwise unnecessary for the wetland restoration project and pose a needless threat to wildlife. Internal levees would be constructed that are necessary only to contain contaminants. This requires that tidal channels be located by design, a departure from the principle of restoration that channels be allowed to form naturally in order to achieve superior ecological stability. And the so-called wetland restoration activities would threaten wildlife by extending the construction period into Fall and Winter. Second, and extremely important, if approved, this project would effectively designate the Suisun Marsh as a waste disposal site and enable contaminants to be disposed of throughout the approximately 45,000-acre diked wetland complex. This policy decision should not be made under the pretense of a wetlands restoration project. If it is the intention of Solano County, the Regional Water Control Board, to designate that the marsh be a contaminated waste dump, a proposal for that program should be presented and exhaustive public scrutiny should ensue. Instead, no agency has addressed that question, declaring it outside the realm of their responsibility. Nevertheless, Solano County has rezoned the entire marsh for this purpose without any consideration to the impacts on the marsh. Further, the contaminant levels proposed by the project sponsors are discretionary. They may be amended upward at any time by the Regional Water Quality Control Board. Since the official practice of this Commission is to defer to the Regional Board on matters of water quality, authorization of this project would effectively render the Commission unable in the future to object to proposals that contain vastly increased contamination amounts. He recommended to BCDC, if it would find this preposterous, to review the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' programs already referred to that are considering and in the practice of using contained aquatic disposal as the preferred alternative for dealing with contaminated materials from dredge disposal. In conclusion, other alternative are readily available that could easily avoid all of these adverse impacts, including removal of contaminated materials to upland areas, or use of other more suitable sites such as Hamilton Field, Mare Island, and West Contra Costa County. As described, this project directly violates the principles of the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan. Therefore, not only should it be denied, but it must be denied. Conversion of the Suisun Marsh into a dumping ground for contaminated Bay mud is not consistent either with the letter or the spirit of the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan. Laurie Brown and Members of the Board, referred to Doug Lipton's remarks about the testing and sediment criteria for the project. As a layperson, she has been speaking to numerous scientists from U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service and Department of Fish & Game off the record, and she was asking about the ten-day bioassays that Doug Lipton has talked about. What they told her is that these tests will only tell you if there is acute toxicity. It will not tell you if there's a long-term problem. It doesn't tell you what happens to organisms when they live to produce and reproduce, and it doesn't tell you about genetic mutations or if they lay fewer or deformed eggs. And it was explained to her as just as similar to DDT in the 40's when it took time for things to develop. And it was also described to her as this is as if you were to test someone to smoke a pack of cigarettes and say this does not cause cancer. Ms. Brown next proceeded with a slide show of this site in an attempt to show and give the Commission an idea of the Suisun Marsh and how pure and clean it is, and why we're all here, that this is ten percent of the wetlands left in the entire State of California. It's an aquatic resource of international importance. And it's the largest brackish wetland in the Continental United States. So this is for context. The Montezuma Hills have a 100 years' history of dry farming in the area, and she wondered what five million gallons of water a day from the shallow ground water will do to the aquifer and that longstanding history that's historic to the State of California. Ms. Brown showed a picture of a flock of either red- winged or tri-colored blackbirds and tri-colored blackbirds are a State species of special concern. Also a picture of the pickleweed, 500 acres of salt harvest marsh mouse environment, an endangered species. It's quite a bit and you can see the various vegetation systems. Commissioner Gioia addressed the Chair and stated that sometimes it's been customary, in the past to give a chance to speakers to wrap up a little bit on an issue. Chairwoman Kaufman indicated that there were a huge amount of speakers and that it's important to keep the meeting moving because the Commissioners all have comments to make as well. Sabrina Ellis, resident of Solano County, stated she was very much in favor of projects that make money and benefit the environment, but did not think the Montezuma Project will benefit wildlife or the people of Collinsville. Describing the project as wetlands restoration allows us to ignore the fact that it will first eliminate established endangered wildlife habitat and become a dump site before the possibility of restoring any wetlands. The success of the project depends on the hope that the mud containing chromium, lead, arsenic, mercury, selenium, dioxin, PCB's and DDT and over 65 contaminants from the Port will remain encased under a three-foot cap. Biology doesn't tend to keep things in boxes. Selenium is what poisoned the birds at Kestersons. Chromium was what leeched from PG&E's ponds into wells, and PG&E had to spend millions to compensate those people for cancer, miscarriages, and birth defects. Dioxins were what caused those same things at Love Canal. In spite of assurances at Montezuma, there is worry that the tides will cause the cap to erode. There is concern that the many burrowing animals, from invertebrates to muskrats and river otters will excavate the cap for food and places to live. There is worry that invertebrates and plants will take up contaminants from the mud, and that these will be eaten by birds that live in and migrate through the marsh. There is also worry about exotic predatory species coming in with the mud. She said to be troubled that there will be large holding ponds for contaminated water that will attract birds. She did not think these will be lined to prevent leaching of contaminants into ground water. The only leaching test that she has heard of took place over a four-hour period. The contaminated mud and water will remain there for a lot longer than four hours. The use of millions of gallons of fresh water to be taken from an underground aquifer to slurry mud onto the site is wasteful of a precious resource. The word "restoration" suggests that the goal is to bring the wetland back to the way it used to work, but the last time Montezuma was a wetland, it wasn't being run as a dump site and it didn't include mud comprised of 50 years of urban and industrial pollution. But why stop at calling it "wetland restoration?" Because Mare Island is more polluted than what's coming from the Port of Oakland, perhaps Mr. Levine could relocate his project to Mare Island and call it an "environmental clean-up." Alec Bash representing the Port of San Francisco, wanted to indicate for the hearing record that the Port has submitted a letter in support of this proposal on the basis of providing an upland location for the relatively minor but still important amounts of dredging that San Francisco does do for these services it provides for ferries, especially for harbor and also dry docks and other maritime activities. San Francisco was the first port, as indicated in the Port's letter, to dispose of dredge spoils at an upland location and believes that having a facility such as this which has gone through considerable processes, as has been outlined at this hearing, is an important thing for the San Francisco Port to have available in the future. Tule West presented letters to the Commission from experts who comment on particular flaws of this proposed project that are critical, as they pertain to the protection of the wildlife in the Suisun Marsh. And while there are many unanalyzed problems with this project, to avoid repetition, Mr. West wanted to address the potential of crayfish to burrow into this noncover material, and what specific problems this would cause. The levees and the wetlands all along the Suisun Marsh have otter droppings everywhere that are littered with crayfish shells. The assumption that the noncover material is encapsulated, impenetrable and permanently contained is flawed. The submitted letters are from the E.P.A. stating that burrowing crayfish were not analyzed in the EIR and confirms their presence in the area and their ability to burrow deeply. Secondly, a letter from the Acting Director at the Center for Aquatic Biology and Aquaculture at U.C. Davis, who dismisses the weak theory that noncover being below 1.5 mean feet will create an atmosphere without oxygen that won't sustain burrowing organisms. Specifically, he states it would not matter if the substrate were deprived of oxygen. The crayfish creates its own air space as it burrows and constructs the warren. Thirdly, Mr. West submitted a letter from a mercury expert from the Department of Wildlife, Fish and Conservation Biology from U.C. Davis who details the effects of bio-accumulation with exposure to this noncover sediment and specifically analyzes the noncover sediment and the monitoring and reporting plan submitted by Levine--Fricke. BCDC is identified as a responsible agency for the monitoring and reporting plan on Table 5, Line 87. It states, If burrowing by red-swamp crayfish is detected adjacent to noncover cells, the options include, 1) burrows will be filled, 2) place straw bails to limit channel development, or 3) apply salt to increase salinity in spawning season. This material will be buried at this site for generations, but the monitoring and reporting is for ten years. After the money is made and Levine is done monitoring his own project, who will fill these burrows? Who will place the straw bails? And who will sprinkle salt? The comments provided by Tom Suckonic, who was a research ecologist on mercury contamination in California for the past decade, specifically with respect to elevated environmental levels, the transformation into toxic methyl mercury and bio-accumulation of aquatic food reps provides comments on the levels of Mercury in noncover sediment as documented in Mitigation and Monitoring Reporting Plan Table B 5, effluent limits and Sediment Screening Criteria. Mr. West summarized that the risks are two-fold, first from a wildlife health perspective. Crayfish represent food items from a number of predatory fish and birds. Their consumption of mercury contaminated crayfish, if sufficiently frequent, could result in bio- accumulation of mercury and could cause behavioral and/or reproductive problems for these wildlife species. Second, if mercury contaminated crayfish were eaten by humans in sufficiently large numbers over a long enough period, it could also result in similar neurological and/or reproductive effort effects. U.S. Commissioners in charge of the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan are very fortunate to be responsible for such a magical place. This project and its use of noncover is admittedly experimental. It poses unnecessary risks . Dan Cirillo, owner and operator of Birds Landing Hunting Preserve and Sporting, and also a neighbor to the site stated he was here today to pledge his support to the project. He said he trusts that all the governing agencies have done due diligence in their approvals and permitting process. And hopefully, with the Commission's vote we can welcome the wetlands project to the business community out on Birds Landing. Jonathan Kaplan from San Francisco Baykeeper, which is a project of Waterkeepers of Northern California stated that Baykeeper opposes the project as proposed and will continue to oppose it unless it's amended to prohibit the noncover fill material and to comply with the Suisun Marsh Protection Plan. They are particularly concerned that the project will pose long-term impacts to water quality in the area. With all due respect to the colleagues at the Regional Board, Baykeeper believes that the Regional Board inappropriately permitted the site in July and inappropriately determined that the contaminated decant water slurried sediments and polluted ground water discharging from the site is exempted from the requirements of a national pollutant discharge elimination system permit; an NPDS permit was not issued. This means that the discharges from the site are not subject to the federal permitting system strict limits for effluent discharges. Baykeeper has appealed that permit and the appeal is now pending at the State Water Board. The Regional Board also, in Baykeeper's belief, incorrectly permitted the project to discharge pollutants that have already been found by the Regional Board, the State Board, and E.P.A. to be impairing the Suisun Marsh. Mr. Kaplan used the slide overhead to illustrate his remarks. The Montezuma permit is granting the discharger considerably higher concentration of pollutants, then, are allowed to protect water quality. The first column of numbers are the numbers in the Montezuma Permit. The second column of numbers are the water quality objectives in our basin plan and in the California Toxics Rule. That is, those are the numbers we need to be at to protect water quality and wildlife resources in our water. And Baykeepers are particularly concerned that not only was the project allowed to discharge these pollutants that are already impairing the Bay, but they were given dilution credits, which means that they're allowed to use the Bay essentially to dilute their effluent down to levels that would theoretically meet water quality objectives. E.P.A. has noted that there's no basis for these limits, that this charter has not provided the fundamental analysis behind these limits. It's not contained in the permit. There's no explanation for the justification of dilution credits. E.P.A. also noted that the Regional Board did not use its standard state-wide implementation plan which is a document guiding permit writing for all other discharges in the Bay. As to the issue that this water is safe enough to drink, if we allowed the Bay to be as toxic as drinking water standards, we would have widespread ecological devastation. Drinking water standards are far far higher than those allowed to protect water quality. He also pointed to the fact that the project has changed at the eleventh hour in the regulatory process. After Baykeepers petitioned the Board to permit waste from the handling facility, the discharger now appears to be keeping all water on-site, or massive quantities of slurried water on-site. That is a whole new ball of wax that needs to be looked at through a new EIR process. Judy Goff, Secretary/Treasurer of the Central Labor Council of Alameda County stated that the Labor Council represents 125,600 Union members in Alameda County. CLB fully supports the action by BCDC to permit restoration of 1,822 acres of former marsh land, Suisun Marsh land, using dredge material from the Bay. CLB supports the Montezuma project because it is critical to the Bay Area's dredging projects and therefore to the Bay Area as maritime industry, and the aggregate jobs and the economic prosperity of the area. The Montezuma Slough project provides the first large multi-user site for dredge material disposal in the Bay Area. Without these upland sites, dredging projects of all sorts ranging from new construction at the Port of Oakland to the smallest marina maintenance project are in serious jeopardy. The labor community is also sensitive to the critical environmental issues posed by the disposal of large amounts of dredge material. That is why was among the earliest and most enthusiastic supporters of the Sonoma Baylands Project, that which has served as a model and received nationwide acclaim. That is why CLB worked with all parties to search for other environmentally appropriate solutions to the dredging problem. That is why CLB has been a member of the Bay Dredging Action Coalition for the past ten years. Involvement started with the Central Labor Council by Ms. Goff's predecessor, and follow-up has now fallen to her. The Montezuma Slough Project will be the largest tidal wetlands restoration project in the Western United States. It will increase the tidal wetlands acreage in the Suisun marshlands by almost 30 percent. It is consistent with the Long Term Management Strategy for dredge material by providing beneficial reuse of suitable dredge material. The words "toxic dump" are inflammatory and should not be used lightly in being applied to this project. This project is a sound example of an environmentally sustainable approach to dredging. She thanked the Commission for considering the perspective of working families in making its deliberation. Nancy Siedler noted she has a cabin on Montezuma Slough on Grizzly Island, for 20 years. Her husband was a duck hunter and they have fished those waters, have eaten crayfish, which she did not think to do if this project is passed. She hoped that the Commission will act as guardians. This is a pristine, beautiful place. It really is paradise. It should stay the way it is. It shouldn't be a dump for "Chemically challenged waste." Contaminated waste. Don't do it. Keep this area beautiful. Keep it for everybody , for your children, for all time. It's gorgeous the way it is. It doesn't need anything more. Marshall Zavat, a sportsman that uses the Suisun Marsh, the Sonoma Napa Marsh, stated he has seen our wetlands dwindle. With that, we've seen water fowl dwindle, we've seen the salmon population go down. With wetlands restoration, we've now started to see it come back up. We've seen how it helps our environment and the ecosystem. I think if we let it go, nature is not going to take its course. It's not going to rebuild the Suisun Marsh. It's going to need our help to do it. The Corps of Army Engineers did the Sonoma Baylands approximately ten to 15 years ago. Three hundred plus acres. As a long time resident, just moved to Vacaville from Sonoma and Marin County, he was not aware of any toxic problem they've ever had doing that with that project. He felt this is very vital to our environment. Glenn Barker with Green Action, an environmental justice and toxics group stated that in August, Green Action came before the BCDC to urge it to help protect Bay water quality and to oppose the floating power plant on a barge that was heading toward the Bay with no environmental review. The Commission followed its mandate and did what was right, raising strong objections to that threat to water quality. That threat to Bay waters in our environment was stopped and we thank you for doing that. Today, Green Action is here to urge you, the BCDC, to uphold its mandate to protect our waters and to reject the plan to dispose what even the Port of Oakland calls "chemically challenged dredge spoils" into this marsh. This plan poses a serious toxic threat to water quality, water life, and our environment, and is an unnecessary and unacceptable gamble with a precious natural resource. If even the Port refers to the material as chemically challenged, that should be a warning that this is indeed a toxic threat. There's no place for Arsenic and Cadmium, Copper, Lead, Mercury, Nickel, Selenium and Zinc in a wetlands area. In addition, the risk of spilling toxic metal, lace contaminants which could reach the Delta, is a real risk and completely unacceptable. Also, the construction and operation of an industrial pumping facility at the site is an inappropriate use that will have an unacceptable impact on this sensitive area. As the marsh is a quiet and tranquil place, Green Action is also concerned that the steady stream of barges will destroy that tranquility. The large scale barge traffic, combined with the dumping of enormous volumes of toxic materials, will change the area forever and destroy its environment. Mr. Barker urged the Commission to follow the precautionary principle and not take a risk from which there is no going back. Approving the dumping of this toxic material will result in irreparable harm to a sensitive environment, a harm that is unnecessary. Even the company president, Mr. Levine, was quoted in the San Francisco article, admitting that the project can go ahead without use of the toxic dredge spoils, with only a five percent increase in cost. That's a small price to pay for protecting an invaluable environmental resource. Marcia Rautenstrauch representing a small group called Stop Montezuma, stated her group essentially does not feel the Suisun Marsh is any place for these "chemically challenged materials" in spite of all the reassurances to the contrary. She wanted to let the Commission know that she has received from different environmental groups around the area their opposition to the project as well. This says, "We oppose the Levine Fricke Montezuma Wetlands Restoration because we feel that its use of contaminated dredge materials poses long-term cumulative adverse threats to wildlife and the environment. And this is the Citizen's Committee to Complete the Refuge, the Le Rivieres, you may know, are long time environmentalists who have done a lot of good work, the Environmental Resource Center and San Jose State University, the San Francisco Bay Wildlife Society, Save Our South Bay Wetlands from Mountain View, Salmon Forever and the Humboldt Water Shed Council, the NRDC, Palo Alto, Ohlone, Audubon, Hayward, Citizens for Open Space, Alvarado , that's out of Union City, California, Native Plants Society, Santa Clara Valley Chapter, Sierra Club, Loma Prieta, and the Baylands Conservation Committee in Palo Alto. So it's not just a local issue. This is a valuable national resource and we need to protect it. And "three feet of somewhat cleaner cap," is not going to solve all the problems. This area, the Suisun Bay is on the 404D list for California. The water supply up there is already severely compromised with heavy metals, DDT, PCB's, Dioxins, and we should not risk the chance of compromising it anymore. There are already fish and water fowl consumption advisories for the people up there. Three-feet of cover material is not sufficient. Apparently Kestersons also had a capping design like this and most of us remember what happened at Kestersons, the unlikely became reality. There is also worry about the removal of the subdrain in this project. Mr. Levine spent many paragraphs in the EIR talking about the subdrain to drain the boggy native soils, presumably from foundation. What's going to happen now? The Solano County Planning Commission gave him permits, although "further engineering studies performed by the applicant indicate that such subdrains will not be required." Why not? We oppose extending the construction window. Jonathan Wisnom, a resident of Birds Landing, particularly the Montezuma Slough, spoke in opposition to this project. Most of the issues have been raised, although curiously enough, no one mentions the suspended sediment in the slurried water. When you go home this evening, take two tablespoons of cornstarch, eight tablespoons of water, shake it into a mixture, let it run into a plate, and see the accumulations of the sediments. They do not all fall to the bottom and bind. These sediments are going to be released into the river and into the slough. Particulate sediment eventually will bind on the bottom of the river, the inlets and cuts that sustain the life in the marsh, and have negative effects on wildlife and plant and animals. The mention of the subdrain is totally bizarre. The purpose of the Environmental Impact Report is for the public to be aware of the possible problems the project may pose. The subdrain for the drainage of the slurried water has been eliminated from the project and, in turn, a plan has been devised to decant this water in ponds. Where is the analysis of this decanted water? It is open to the birds, to the critters, to the fish, and is highly likely could be toxic. This analysis must be made before the Commission can approve this project. A letter just passed around was submitted by a neighbor who owns a duck club adjacent to Mr. Wisnom, also urging that the construction window be followed for the preservation of water fowl and the animals in the area. Imagine using this much water on a daily basis to move solid material? Five million gallons of water a day decanted, re-used again, pumped out of the shallow groundwater aquifer, and accumulating the chemicals found in the sludge of the Bay. This is not good science and it would not be prudent of the Commission to approve this project. Steve Evans, Information Services Manager for the Ecology Center in Berkeley, and here to represent the Ecology Center's point of view on the Montezuma Wetlands Restoration Project. Like Save the Bay and the other environmental organizations here, the Ecology Center actually heartily endorse the idea of restoring wetlands in the Bay. It is a great idea. What is not a great idea and this just reinforces a lot of what has been said this afternoon, is the use of the noncover contaminated materials in this project. It is in fact a toxic dump masquerading as a restoration project and it is very disingenuous to be calling this a restoration project when in fact it has a lot of serious impacts such as the bringing of the barges up, the creation of an industrial site, and the sucking up of the aquifers. He urged the Commission to at least consider disallowing the contaminated materials from being used in this project. If it were really just a restoration project, we could accomplish the same thing for far less expense by simply breaching the dikes and letting nature take its course. It would cost millions less, it wouldn't have nearly the impact in terms of industrializing the area in order to achieve the effects that we're supposedly trying to do here. If we're concerned about the wildlife and so on, this really elaborate operation we're talking about here is likely to be very disruptive to the water fowl and so on. Mr. Evans handed in a petition signed by about 80 people, which read: We urge you to reject the Levine-Fricke Montezuma Wetlands Restoration Project because we believe its use of contaminated dredge materials poses long range cumulative adverse effects to wildlife in the environment. While we support responsible efforts to restore the Bay's wetlands, we do not believe Levine- Fricke's project is one of these. Using contaminated dredge spoils containing up to 65 non-pollutants in an otherwise clean environment, Montezuma would set a disastrous precedent in California environmental history. The high levels of salinity in these spoils and the huge quantities of fresh water required to clean them pose additional threats to the entire Delta water system. The Suisun marshlands compose ten percent of all of California's remaining wetlands and are a critical rest and refueling stop for a third of all birds migrating on the Pacific flyway. Suisun's unique mixing zone of the salty Pacific with fresh water of the Sacramento and San Joaquin Rivers also provides an important nursery for early life stages of over 120 fish species. Scores of rare and endangered plants and animals find refuge there. In this fragile ecosystem, Levine-Fricke seeks to restore 1,822 acres of the Suisun marsh with a contaminated dredge spoils from the Port of Oakland and other sites around the Bay. Bill Doll, a curator of small craft for the National Park Service, San Francisco Maritime National Historic Park, and member of the Traditional Small Craft Association, as well as a small craft cruising club addressed the Commission. There is a flotilla of historic boats that participate in an event that ends up at Douglas Slough, which is the little water opening there. From what Mr. Doll has heard, he opposes this operation going on there because it looks like it'll probably limit the use of carrying on this event. He hoped that the Commission would seriously consider his belief that this would not be useful operation for the public to still be permitted to use the waterfront. Ellen Johnck, Executive Director of the San Francisco Bay Planning Coalition, and also speaking today on behalf of the Bay Dredging Action Coalition stated she was submitting a letter on behalf of the Coalition for the record. The coalition is made up of Bay users, maritime industry, Port shipping lines, Marine terminal operators, several local governments, marinas, essentially a broad consortium of people and businesses that have grown up here on the Bay, are running businesses on the Bay, and want to do right by the Bay. Ms. Johnck stated her organization supports the project in light of the significant innovations and planning for dredge material management that have been carried out throughout the nation regarding the beneficial reuse of sediment since the early 80's. As environmental concerns and issues heightened over dredging in the past few years, what the Coalition has done is look at how dredging material can be recycled, basically reused. The concept really came to fruition here in the Bay Area with the Sonoma Baylands Project and the inception of what is known as the long term management strategy for dredge material disposal, which is a long term strategy for planning dredge material, developing disposal alternatives, and basically the theme is beneficial reuse. The Montezuma Project is the key to implementing the LTMS vision. The coalition has been working on this for approximately ten years now. The Montezuma Project started as a permit review and environmental evaluation eights years ago. What we are doing here in the innovation work, although beneficial reuse is really considered a very credible environmental restoration plan around the country, the LTMS and our vision for re-use is considered a success around the nation. What we need in order to go forward with beneficial reuse is capital infusion and environmental review. Our experience with testing over the years, as was heard from the Water Board, and E.P.A. has submitted their letters, is that this has gone through exceptional scrutiny. She encouraged the Commission to support this win-win project. Jim McGrath, Environmental Management from the Port of Oakland stated he was the person that used the term "chemically challenged." He acknowledge that this is a tough issue for the Commission, it's an emotional issue. Mr. McGrath apologized to all those affected about the miscommunications. This project is critical to the Oakland project. The Port proposes to take 400,000 cubic yards of wetland noncover and 2.6 million cubic yards of wetland cover and begin restoration of 1,800 acres of wetlands. And indeed that's the objective, the restoration of wetlands. The Port of Oakland sat down with 13.5 million cubic yards of material, mud and sand, and tried to figure out how it could reuse virtually all of that material. Had one used a nomenclature of the good, the better, and the best, instead of "chemically challenged," then perhaps this would have captured what was going on a little better. The Port has 200,000 cubic yards of material that is only suitable for construction purposes. It shouldn't go back into the water, the Port won't let it go back into the water and the Regional Board won't let it to back into the water. The rest of the material is good and better. It is suitable for restoration. Now let's talk about how clean or dirty this stuff is and put it into a context. This material is way cleaner than the biosolids that are used and should be used, and should be recycled in California. We're looking at a recycling effort. We are looking at taking material and disposing of it in ways where the contaminants are at trace levels and they can be constructively reused. Those levels are substantially higher. You can see that in the letter. It's way cleaner than what was taken to Galbreth. The Port developed two, three bookcases worth of monitoring data of the run-off, of the sediment quality, and had initial testing to look at that. The Regional Board has copious records of that. It's way cleaner than that. And it's way cleaner, how clean is it? It's in fact clean enough to go to the ocean. In going back over the records, the Port didn't try to figure out where it could shovel this stuff, but tried to figure out how it could reuse it. In looking at 15 toxicity tests, a number of sub-lethal toxicity tests on the wetland noncover, none of it failed the toxicity tests. One of the 15 samples failed the sublethal test. Taking it to the ocean would defeat the purpose of the LTMS. Mr. Kolb introduced Dr. Khalil Abu Saba, a Mercury expert. Dr. Abu Saba stated that as an agent of the State, he spent his career fighting mercury pollution on San Francisco Bay. He wanted to give the Commission the San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Control Board, Planning and Policy Division, staff's perspective on how mercury cycling works, in particular with regards to wetland areas. About eight million cubic yards of dirt come into San Francisco Bay every year from the Central Valley. That essentially represents our background sources of mercury. Dr. Abu-Saba spent most of his time dealing with Process B, a controllable local source, especially in our local mining sources. What the Commission should be looking at is moving sediments around that are essentially representative of ambient conditions. One should understand that both through normal tidal exchange and through dredging and upland reuse projects like the one proposed today, sediments do get introduced to the marginal areas of the Bay. That is where mercury gets converted to methyl mercury. Methyl mercury is the form that moves up the food chain. The important thing to understand is that wetlands convert mercury to methyl mercury called "methylation." They also convert it back from methyl mercury to inorganic mercury, called "demethylation." When we look at wetlands, what we're really looking for is if the balance between the two result in high concentrations of methyl mercury or not. High concentrations of methyl mercury indicate high risk for bio- accumulation. The point that we really need to understand is that, for wetland design, the current LTMS cover/noncover guidelines are consistent with our existent water quality objectives for protection of the Bay due to bioaccumulation. You're essentially proposing moving around ambient concentrations of Mercury and sediments. You need to understand that wetlands both demethylate and methylate mercury. We now have preliminary information showing us that there are areas of the Delta that appear to be net sinks for methyl mercury. This is areas in the Central Delta. And that references the CalFed Study which Dr. Sue Connick is one of the study directors. It's very preliminary information. This information does need to come out and get formally peer reviewed. We also have preliminary information from near field monitoring from Fairfield Suisun and of discharges in the Buena Slough. That's a slough where, again, the demethylation appears to out-strip the methylation and we have lower concentrations of methyl mercury. We want to see all our wetland projects to result in areas that are net methyl mercury sinks. And this poses a challenge to the Project Managers. What I want to leave you with is that, through our waste discharge requirements and through the mitigation and monitoring Plan, we do have the leverage needed to make sure that this wetland project ends up being a net benefit. MOTION: Commissioner Gus Morrison moved, seconded by Commissioner Hill to close the public hearing. The motion carried. MOTION: Commissioner Gioia moved, seconded by Commissioner Rippey to adjourn into committee. The motion carried. Chairwoman Kaufman explained to the public why she had to curtail the public comment to three minutes. The deadline for additional testimony in written form that anyone would wish to submit is 5:00 next Tuesday. Anything received by that time will be taken into consideration in the staff recommendation and will also be provided to the Commission. Anything received after that will not. Commissioner Rose inquired if ten percent of the material that is planned to be brought to the sloughs was of the noncover variety and how much noncover material will be dredged and taken elsewhere. Dr. Lipton clarified that the ten percent of Phase I, amounts to about 4.5 million yards. Ten percent of that will be noncover. The rest of the noncover material that the Port of Oakland has to deal with would be a question that Jim McGrath could better answer, but it will probably go up to a landfill which, again, from most people's perspective in the big environmental picture is far more damaging than to truck and haul off, or it could possibly go under construction fill. Mr. McGrath noted that it is necessary to use approximates when talking about dredge material because the strata change. The best current estimate of the amount of wetland noncover is about 800,000 cubic yards. It may be a little more. It is probably less. When the Port of Oakland dredged the 42-foot project, it estimated a million cubic yards had to go to Galbreth. It came out with 700,000-cubic yards, so the Port expects it to be about 800,000 cubic yards. The amount intended for this project is four hundred to 440,000-cubic-yards. The Port has a number of places for the remainder, all of them in their analysis have more adverse impacts. There is a drying site at Berth 10 that can accommodate about 200,0000-cubic-yards a year to dry. That can then be taken to a landfill. This material is clean enough that they don't really like it in landfills, but that's sort of a fall back option. Some of the commentors have mentioned the Mare Island Project site. That project is reuse of a base. It is ponds that have been used for that purpose in the past. The Port is quite hopeful that they would come on site because that would have a substantially less of an air quality impact than hauling it to a landfill. So those are the options at the moment. Commissioner Gioia asked the Commissioner who is on the Solano County Board of Supervisors, to provide maybe just any brief kind of background on this issue as it was discussed at the Solano County Board of Supervisors. Commissioner Kondylis stated that maybe ten or 12 years ago, if somebody had told her about this project, she would have said, "Boy, I wouldn't want that in my back yard" and done the whole thing. But given the history of the area that a Dow Chemical Plant was sited for that project and defeated a long time ago, the degradation of the Suisun Marsh mainly for the salinity that need to restore wetlands, she said she finally came around and the Board of Supervisors came around that if this could be done in an environmentally safe manner, and there have been tons of questions all the way through the process, and that it provided a net benefit not only to the people of Solano County but to the Bay Area, that it was worth going through. And since the Board went through the environmental review process, those there had to read it, which is not the case at BCDC. Commissioner Kondylis came to the conclusion that, although still having a few questions, too, about the long term monitoring and some of the new information, on balance, it seems to be something that's going to be beneficial for everyone. Commissioner Gioia addressed staff with the following questions. One of the issues that's been identified for further analysis that's going to be presented to the Commission is the construction window in which the report says the Commission must determine whether an extension beyond the work window of April 15th through October 15th is warranted for this project, whether some portions of the project such as grading would be less disruptive to wildlife use of the marsh between October 15th through April 15th, other than construction activities, and so forth. So his question is, what additional analysis was the staff intended to do to more fully explore what impacts would occur if the construction window were extended, and obviously how long it's extended may be an issue as well, whether it's a few days, a few weeks, a few months, and what impact those would have. And also to the Port of Oakland, what alternatives have they looked at if construction could not be complete? And have they done a fair amount of due diligence to determine that there are other ways to handle this so that the construction window is not extended. So first from the Staff and then from the Port of Oakland. Mr. Batha noted that staff has discussed this with the applicant and the applicant has agreed to limit the major construction to the regular work window between April 15th to October 15th. That would include all pile driving, major grading and the like. They would like to be able to place dredge materials throughout the year. And staff's analysis was going to be discussing it with the Department of Fish & Game and the Suisun Resource Conservation District. Those discussions have begun. Some of that testimony was heard today. Preliminary indications are that they don't think the actual placement of dredge materials on the site throughout the year would pose the problems. They were more concerned about the grading and the pile driving. Commissioner Gioia asked, when given the alternatives in looking at the construction window issues, when the Commission has to make a decision, will they have the analysis complete at that time. Mr. Batha indicated that the Commission will have almost certainly a construction window requirement that will specify what activities can occur when. Mr. McGrath explained that there are a series of windows on the project. The most difficult one to manage around is the air quality limitation which requires the applicant to stay under 100 tons a year of NOX. It doesn't allow, unless a way is figured out to re-power tugs and lower their NOX emission, it doesn't allow the applicant to construct year-round. The Port is trying to figure out ways to expand that. If the project is bid and dredging equipment is available, such that that doesn't further restrict the ability of someone to construct it in a cost-effective manner, if he has other work to do in the Bay Area that he's working on, it probably would have no effect. So at the best case, it would have no effect. At the worst case, it might put another restriction on the contractor and significantly increase the price of the project. And, while what the Port can predict in terms of cost increases are relatively modest in overall price. If those begin to add up or really effect the bidding climate, it may affect the practicability of the alternative. And as pointed out, virtually all of this material can go to the ocean. The Port is seeking ways to make it be practicable to restore wetlands. Mr. McGrath said he couldn't tell where the precise boundary is where the projects cost get so great that that's not possible, but five million here, ten million there, 20 million there, and it would probably certainly happen. Commissioner Bruzzone said he had a couple concerns. The first has to do with the legal challenge with regard to whether or not the NPDS is applicable and has asked the Commission's legal representative if a determination whether or not it applies was made, and, in paraphrasing, whether or not the Army has decided for certain that the clean water regulations apply here. He wanted to make sure that no matter what the Commission does, that it has thoroughly looked at the legal question here, reviewing the process and whether it feels comfortable as a Commission that it has been thoroughly looked at. Commissioner Bruzzone asked Dr. Lipton the following question: "You did indicate that all of the appeals had ruled in your favor. Were they ruling on the process or were they ruling on the applicability of the NPDS arena as applied to this project?" Dr. Lipton replied that they were ruling on the EIR and the adequacy of the EIR. The appeal to the Water Board on their permit in terms of the 404 vs. 402 NPDS was appealed to the Board, and that has not been ruled on. The Water Board lawyers, as well as the Corps of Engineers legal staff, and as well as the E.P.A. have all written strong letters in support of that decision that it falls under 404, not an NPDS. Commissioner Bruzzone noted that there should always be an exit strategy. What if something went wrong and there was a breaching of that inner containment of the material? What is the strategy developed to protect the groundwater and the surrounding area if it should not work out. Dr. Lipton indicated that there are contingency measures all throughout that thick document that covers every single aspect of things that could go wrong, even though most people don't think it will ever go wrong, but in that particular case, if that did happen, in the unlikely event that that would happen, you can dike that off. You can bring in more clean cover sediment to cover it up. You can limit the tides coming in. There are different actions one can take in terms of remedial measures. And in terms of contaminant and environmental impairment, that's what will be covered under insurance and additionally there will be financial assurances for all the monitoring closure. Referring to the economics of splitting off the noncover from the cover, Commissioner Bruzzone asked what happened economically to the project if only the former be allowed and not the latter. Could another site, another way be devised to handle the noncover material, and what does that do to the economics both for the Port of Oakland and for this project. Dr. Lipton explained that from the environmental perspective, that would be a sad thing to have happen to this because this is the most environmentally protective way to deal with it. In terms of the economics and the restoration, this project would not be able to restore the existing degraded site to tidal wetlands as fast because taking the non-cover helps to get more cover clean sediment to cover because whenever noncover is taken, it's in the permit conditions very explicitly. The Port of Oakland, Jim McGrath, could also confirm this, that in terms of the economics of the project, the restoration would just happen more slowly. It certainly wouldn't be a benefit either to the wildlife or financially for the project. In terms of the cost for the Port of Oakland, everyone has examined that this is a very cost-effective way to do it. And it's usually much more expensive to haul things to a landfill or to dry it out some other place. It would not kill the project, but it would be a mistake. Mr. McGrath added that if the material in question, is suitable for ocean disposal, and if it's not desired here, the Port would apply presumably for a permit for ocean disposal of the material. That could be somewhat cheaper. The alternative to that would be to take the material to an upland environment and take it to a landfill or try to reuse it in a construction project. That latter would cost substantially more money, $12-14, maybe $16 million. And that's a pretty good price hit, although with the benefit cost ratio the Port has, it's unlikely to hit the benefit to cost ratio. We might have to go back to Congress for additional funding. But in a more general principle, one of the things that one should think about is, when a dredger hits material that doesn't meet the standard for ocean disposal, yet it is clean enough for reuse in a wetland, that happens about four or five percent of the time. They're quite motivated and they have the capacity to pay substantial amounts. The Port pays about $30 a cubic yard to $40 a cubic yard to take that material upland to a landfill. And it's not dirty enough to go there. If you take it to a wetland where you cover it with four or five times as much material as here, it in effect subsidizes the cost of upland wetland re-use of the cleaner material. And you wind up with a way of making upland wetland reuse more practicable, which is the concept behind the Levine project. Commissioner Carruthers had a question for Dr. Abu Saba and Dr. Lipton and that is how is the monitoring used, what assurances are there that the monitoring will protect water quality and will prevent these bad things happening, and how is the project set up to respond to whatever negative information the monitoring might reveal. Dr. Abu Saba explained that through the waste discharge requirements, there is a legal authority to look at their monitoring results the same, is the project acting as was intended, for instance. The fear that's been raised is, if you put the noncover material deep and cover it, it's clean material, will that stay in place? Now their project designers have gone through extensive analysis to say we're assured that that's not going to happen. The mitigation and monitoring plan comes in and looks at that over time and says, "Is that true?" And it's our job as regional board staff to look at the dead end and say, "Now that the project is in place, as they've gone forward with implementation, is it behaving the way we expected?" And if we look at the environmental monitoring data, if we look at methyl mercury concentrations in sediment and I look at methyl mercury concentrations in water, and I go, "Uh oh, Doug, I think we have a problem here," now it's time for Doug to enact some of these contingency plans. "Doug what are your contingency plans?" Dr. Lipton agreed with that statement and said that the contingency plans are all spelled out in here in terms of the performance criteria that must be met in terms of water quality, in terms of sediment quality, in terms of engineering elevation controls and evaluations of whether the channels are getting close to the non-cover, evaluating the crayfish, all those aspects of the monitoring are clearly laid out. Dr. Lipton, as an example, explained that in terms of water quality, the settling time in the settling ponds can be lengthened to allow the suspended sediment to fall out. In the noncover cells, the water is filtered through Geotextile Fabrics to ensure that the suspended sediment stays in. So there's additional measures that can be done to enhance that. It goes on that if we still fail that we can add iron salts that can help precipitate out and enhance the settling of clays and all the types of soils that might stay in the water. You can add very simple things. The mobility of most of these metals is enhanced under oxidizing acid conditions. There is limestone around so that just in case, even though all the evaluations look like the stuff that acidify in the type of pumping and water movement that's being done, limestone can be added to neutralize. And so all that is spelled out here. There is a very detailed, painfully long table that has all the monitoring criteria, contingency measures, the reporting requirements. This may also answer Commissioner Rippey's concerns in terms of how often we're going to be providing these things. Dr. Abu-Saba noted that the Montezuma Project is similar as designed to the wetlands and marginal areas of the Bay in that you're looking at ambient sediments moving in and out of a marginal area. The difference between the Montezuma Project and many of the other marginal areas of the Bay is that we actually have control, regulatory control over the way that project is handled and designed. So unlike all the other marginal areas of the Bay where mercury methylates and demethylates, here's a place where we can look at the environment and say, "Wait, this doesn't look good. Now you go do something." Commissioner Ross noted that his review of the record would indicate that this has been a matter of contention all the way along. No matter what your form is, you're opposed. He said he would find it quite helpful and assumed the applicant had the chance to review the opposition which came in yesterday and today that advances the argument by Mr. Gafney, Mr. Lewis and also from the Stop Montezuma communication that raised the issue about that there are changed circumstances where there are actually changes in the project that would at least lead to the argument that a supplemental or subsequent Environmental Impact Report is required. Commissioner Ross said he would find it very helpful that there be a response from the applicant on that issue as to why there aren't change conditions under which the project is being carried out, or changes in the project different than that that were analyzed in the final Environmental Impact Report. This would also be applicable to Mr. Lewis because from Save The Bay's side, if there are changes in the project or what is being carried out that those are also clear on the record. This would be something that is very important for the Commission's decision, whether or not we're going to comply with CEQA. Also, in one of those letters the claim was made about an inadequate monitoring program and there was mention of environment impairment insurance. It would be helpful to see an example of the actual text of that document because that seems to address the concern of the exist strategy. Dr. Lipton stated he could comply with all these requests to address those issues. Some of them here verbally, but they could also be summarized in text. Commissioner Oliver said that with regard to noncover material she would like to see some written documentation, even to the issue of fail safe, "What do you do in case?" It was explained quite well, but to go through the document that was prepared and given to the Commission, it didn't jump out as it did when it was on the slide. She would like to see some further information on what the applicant would do in case there was a hazard and the response, and the details of who would respond. Dr. Lipton promised to provide all those details and issues to the staff. Commissioner Oliver, referring to the discussion on mercury, to address the mercury issue in the same way. Dr. Lipton asked to address the mercury issue here now briefly. In terms of some of the recent materials that were submitted to BCDC and also stated by some of the opponents, and clearly there was a letter that was provided from a researcher at U.C. Davis that discussed about the potential concern, and the words were "could" and "concern," and make it clear that the concentrations that he indicated in his letter that are warm and the ones that he's concerned about are ten times higher and twice as high as the ones we're taking. He got the information simply from the Monitoring Plan, so it appears like maybe he doesn't understand where we're putting the sediment in terms of the overall placement at the bottom of the marsh, four feet below the mean high water and lower than the tide line. Additionally, there was a comment from one of the opponents that said that the Regional Boards asked BCDC explicitly not to permit any restoration projects. That letter is from the Regional Central Valley Water Board, August 1, actually to the Commission regarding the LTMS Plan, and so Staff responded. The quote is on the fifth page. It says, To prevent exacerbation of current Mercury problem, wetland restoration projects using dredge material should proceed with caution until the Methylation process is better understood. Without a doubt, all the agencies and regional experts and scientists would agree that we all are proceeding with caution on this project. Commissioner Cutler had a question for staff related to the staff report under "Issues Raised," number 5, whether the project is consistent with the Suisun Marsh Protection Policies on Land Use and Water Management. She said she'd be just interested in some further explanation either now or later as to whether or not it is consistent, and if it is not, under what circumstances it would be deemed acceptable for BCDC to accept this project. Mr. Batha noted he would do it with staff's recommendation. Commissioner Johnson addressed her question to Dr. Lipton. In her understanding from the testimony, that the material will be identified before loading it onto the barge as either cover or noncover, and then taking it to the offloading site and tested, would there be any testing done before it's loaded onto the barge to be sure it doesn't contain more than the acceptable level of contaminants. Dr. Lipton replied that all the testing has been thoroughly vetted already at the Port of Oakland and they're doing some additional testing of areas at the Port, that they're going back and refining what the quality is. And so those results will be available and reviewed by the agencies. Before it goes on the barge for the site, it will be confirmed at the site. The good news for everybody is that the E.P.A.'s recent work in evaluating monitoring out at other disposal sites is that you get what you pay for, essentially, all the monitoring data shows that. It showed it at Sonoma Baylands, it showed it at the ocean that these concentrations, the testing, the thorough testing that's done by the Ports and the Corps successfully found the concentrations and ranges. Commissioner Kondylis noted that in the old days it used to be that the solution to pollution is dilution. And if anybody remembers those days, if you add enough water to something, it reduces it to a point where it's acceptable, even though the same amount of stuff is going out into the environment. She asked if her understanding was correct that at all of the sites, these octagons, or whatever, are going to be tested and that's going to determine whether the dredge material is either cover or noncover. And if it's designated noncover, it'll stay that way until it gets up and gets put into a cell. It won't get mixed with other stuff, with cleaner stuff, and at the other end come out saying it's cleaner than it was coming in because it would be diluted by cleaner stuff. Dr. Lipton replied this will not be done. The applicant is keeping the noncovers going in as an understanding of what that sediment is and understanding the question, and then the other cover sediment gets put on top of that. Commissioner Kondylis stated that when you take something dirty and mix it with something clean, it becomes cleaner. So you could theoretically take a little bit of bad stuff, the challenged stuff, mix it with clean stuff, and by the time it got up to the Montezuma Wetlands, it would be clean enough, but the applicant is not going to do that? Dr. Lipton explained that if he could take that question a little further, is that Phase I, which is the noncovers, ten percent of that total 4.5 million volume, if that's mixed in, it would be cleaner than what's in Suisun Marsh now. Commissioner Kondylis agreed and said that her point is that for some reason it's better to take the bad stuff and contain it in these cells than to mix it, which might have happened years ago, to make it cleaner, more of it, but cleaner, to make it acceptable, and then have it spread all throughout the environment. Dr. Lipton agreed that that's the best way. That's how it was done in the 70's and 80's through numerous wetland restoration projects. Actually, all throughout the nation, there's 34 projects that have used dredged materials, much like Muzzies Marsh that took the sediment where they didn't distinguish between cleanest and the next clean. Commissioner Messina indicated he would like to comment on this question of whether this should be governed by an NPS permit or not, or by a different section of the Federal Clean Water Act. It is the Federal Clean Water Act in either case. This is a lawyer's question and so he asked their attorney to tell us what to do. Just to be safe, we consulted with Federal E.P.A. because they are, you might say, our overseer on this issue, and they had the same view. The Corps of Engineers reads the law the same way also. They could all be wrong. The ultimate decision maker in terms of our process is the State Water Resources Control Board, which has this before them now on an appeal. Mr. Kolb commented on the slippery slope argument that if this project is approved that it automatically approved that it automatically means that any similar project has got an automatic yes. He does not see that. For one thing, there has been several years of testing and development of this project, and he can not imagine somebody would come in and say, "I want a permit by Tuesday for something just like it." It isn't like that. These projects inherently require a lot of analysis and a lot of engineering and biological work to do. Mr. Kolb said he did not know of any others in the pipeline in Suisun Marsh for the foreseeable future. If this is done further, it might be Hamilton Field. So this notion that if the Commission approves this one, there's a whole bunch more, has no validity. Commissioner Morrison addressing staff, stated that some time ago, last year or maybe the year before that, the Commission dealt with the South San Francisco project where they were going to cap some contaminants. How is this different than that? Mr. McAdam explained that the primary difference is that that was a project that was going to use fill in San Francisco Bay to do this project. This project is taking a diked area where the policies that BCDC would have applied to Bay West Cove, this particular site, don't apply to this one because it's not Bay fill. It's in essence taking a diked area and returning it to tidal action. Commissioner Kondylis referred to a place called "White Slough" that used to be a subsided airport. And in 1981 or '82, the dikes were breached by storms. It was allowed to fill in naturally. But the kind of stuff that's in the ground there before it started filling up was really toxic. Now after 15 years, it's all been sedimented in, it's got natural sloughs and channels. Is there any evidence that any of this really bad stuff that's buried underneath, that any of that is leaching out? She wondered if there's any information on that or if staff could get that because it seems, if that could happen, then the chances of anything happening at Montezuma Wetlands with material that's not nearly as bad as stuff dumped off of planes onto the ground. Mr. Batha indicated that the only site that he was aware of like that in the White Slough area was a former land fill that was pretty informal and BCDC instituted several measures in cleaning up that site, to try to cap that site, and prevent a deterioration of water quality. Commissioner Kondylis said that was on top of what was an airport called Night's Airport. She said she has been told that it's one of the most productive ecosystems in the Bay Area now, even with the dumping of fuels and all kinds of things over the years. Mr. Batha agreed that it is an incredibly productive ecosystem, but said he had not heard any or seen any analysis of if there's been any leaching of some of these toxic materials that were formerly at the site. Dr. Lipton wanted to add a little bit of perspective to that. Essentially that's one reason Hamilton is going to work, there are existing contaminants even there and portions of the site that are higher than the noncover proposed to be taken out at Montezuma. And capping and covering contaminants is certainly one method that works, and certainly as a scientist that's worked throughout the Bay on numerous really contaminated projects, that typically when you look at concentrations that are much higher than what were taken from Port of Oakland, the Port water, the water that's around the soil, it doesn't have a lot of contaminants in it that leach. Commissioner Rippey asked that before staff comes back with a recommendation and an analysis, could they as much as possible clarify all the conflicting information heard today about the contamination issue. Maybe they are not going to find a magic bolt to solve it, but if it could be put in a form that the Commission could grasp a little better, and several other speakers have mentioned that, including the newer information that may be available from U.C. Davis, if staff could capture that in one section in order to get a better understanding of the various standards that the Commission is to apply here. He would also like to see some additional clarification of the question raised by Commissioner Ross, particularly regarding any new or more recent changes to the project that might raise some CEQA concerns with a special focus on the groundwater pumping. Commissioner Bruzzone mentioned separating out the pro's and con's of the viability, both economically and ecologically if contamination or noncover and cover vs. all "just clean materials" it would be interesting for the Commissioners to see the options available to the Commission, even if Dr. Lipton has made a strong presentation as to why it's important to include the ten percent. The Commission needs to see the options and what impacts excluding those materials might mean not only to the Port, but to the project and to future projects. Commissioner Rippey also asked for staff to analyze the impacts to the LTMS Plan that's in place if this project is not approved, or if the contaminated materials are not part of the approval. And then the last thing, it would be important to know if there are any growth inducing impacts, not to industrialization of the area, which is hard to know and has been raised as an issue for many years, but to the marsh with the rehandling facility if that remains in operation after the project is in place, if there are any impacts that might be foreseeable for the marsh from the activities of this project over the long term. If this sets in place sort of an impetus for continuing with further type projects in the marsh, even if there aren't any on the horizon now because of the economics of putting it in place. Those are some issues for staff to analyze a little more in their report. Commissioner Kondylis wanted the Commission to know that, as a result of this project, the Board of Supervisors is committed to take all of the rest of the industrial and rezone it back to Ag because they don't want it to be an industrial area. The action hasn't been taken, as it takes a long time to change a general plan. The other thing though is, she wished staff would also look at the side of the beneficial uses of the re-used dredge material for levee restoration and those kinds of projects in the Delta. Because of the failure rate of the levees, it has a lot of impact not only on farming, but on water quality in the whole San Joaquin Bay Delta area. She said she did not know what the impacts would be if they didn't have those materials to do that kind of levee work and repair. Commissioner Bruzzone referred to a note delivered to him which he is supposed to read. Friends of Suisun Marsh have filed a second complaint in Solano County regarding the change in projects. He commended Commissioner Rippey for the way he captured a lot of the Commission's concerns. He asked that the staff consider, like in a normal contract, that there be the due diligence that, or at least acknowledge the results of all this legal review. In other words, whatever decision is made, that it be subject to what the courts decide should they decide on something with regard to the project. Dr. Lipton said he could respond to that in terms of the legal issues. He would also like to address this issue that his project has somehow changed because there have been some statements that have left the Commission with the impression that there's been some major changes. Commissioner Rippey interrupted to say that he was not charging that that has happened, but that the Commission had heard conflicting information and he would just like the staff to clarify the CEQA process so that the Commission knows that they are proceeding on solid ground, so to speak. Dr. Lipton said he appreciated that and thought his lawyer actually could address the CEQA issues. It's important that the complaint against the EIR is done. Mr. Travis noted it would actually be helpful for the staff to have this on the record so that staff could incorporate it into the report. Jennifer Hernandez, legal representative of the project applicant and representative in the CEQA lawsuit made the following remarks: There have been a couple questions about the CEQA process and its status in litigation. First, the time for challenging the Appellate decision at the California Supreme Court has come and gone. And so that decision is final. And the EIR for the project is valid. That was the trial judge deciding that the county had "bent over backwards" to comply with CEQA and the Appellate Court agreed. The project opponents have, in fact, filed a second CEQA lawsuit against the use permit. The same allegations are made. We'll be proceeding to dismiss those or try to dismiss those in Superior Court because it is effectively the same lawsuit again, also making the same allegations against the same EIR. The issue of project changes between the draft and final EIR was specifically addressed by the Court, and the Court found that any project changes made were done in response to agency comments to improve the environment. And none required any additional CEQA review. In fact they were all beneficial changes. There were a couple other questions, but I think those were the main ones and I'm glad to answer any further questions about the legal status of this matter. Dr. Lipton explained that from a technical perspective, he could address the two changes that seem to have been voiced a lot here by the opponents. One was the subdrains. The subdrains was a geotechnical issue in terms of settling the site. Additional geotechnical evaluations have shown they're not needed. The subdrains were never never for dewatering the dredge sediments that we're putting in to move water through that. And secondly, the rehandling facility, the settling ponds that will be used to dewater the clean sediment uses a portion of the water and, in concert with the EIR that says to maximize and recycle as much as possible, the applicant is not going to discharge water from the rehandling sediment cells that takes a fraction of the sediments and a fraction of the water. Instead, they will evaporate it from those cells and recycle it on-site for construction purposes in concert with everybody's interest to recycle and the Water Board Permit.