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Learn About Depleted Uranium From 
The US Army's Expert on Depleted Uranium (DU) :
Nuclear Holocaust and The Politics of Radiation 

Dr. Doug Rokke Speaking in Los Altos, CA 21apr03

[Dr. Rokke's Resume below]


Nuclear Holocaust and The Politics of Radiation. 
Sponsored by the Women's Solidarity Movement held at the Spangenberg Theatre, Gunn High School, Los Altos, California.

This event featured three speakers: Doug Rokke, a Vietnam and Gulf War I Veteran and the Army's expert on depleted uranium; Leuren Moret, a whistle-blower from Livermore National Laboratory, expert lecturer on the health effects of depleted uranium; and Veteran Staff Sergeant Dennis Kyne who served as an Army medic during Gulf War I. Because they speak out about depleted uranium (DU), all three of these people are constantly harassed by the US government and its agents. Both Rokke and Kyne are in extremely serious medical condition because of their exposure to depleted uranium and other toxicants that the military tells our valiant warriors are safe. You may listen to all three lectures on Mindfully.org by clicking on the appropriate link below. Rokke's and Moret's have been transcribed. If you have time, please help us by transcribing Dennis Kyne's lecture and we will post it. 

Recorded and transcribed by Paul Goettlich.

[ Doug Rokke's 71-minute, 8 MB MP3 file of this lecture | More on Doug Rokke ]
[ Leuren Moret's 36-minute lecture, 4 MB MP3 file, HTML |  More on Leuren Moret ]
[Dennis Kyne's 16-minute lecture, 2 MB MP3 file, HTML |  More on Dennis Kyne ]

US Army S. Sgt. Dennis Kyne, Leuren Moret, whistle-blower, and Dr. Doug Rokke (R-L) Photo by Paul Goettlich

US Army S. Sgt. Dennis Kyne, Leuren Moret, whistle-blower, and Dr. Doug Rokke (L-R)  
Photo by Paul Goettlich

Dr. Doug Rokke speaking on April 21, 2003 in Los Altos, CA, USA

Good evening.

[He exhales into the microphone as if exhausted]

The purpose of war is real simple.

When you go to war, I don't care whether you're a medic like Dennis—I'm an old combat medic also—I don't care whether you're a cook, a member of the band, your job is to kill and destroy. Period. When you go to war, you are going to come back changed—physiologically and psychologically forever. When we go to war because the purpose is to kill and destroy, the military will use any and every weapon at their disposal to kill and destroy.


There's nothing else about it. It's simply killing and destroying. And anyone that gets in your way it's killed. And any item that gets in your way gets destroyed.

Paul Tibbetts in the Enola Gay

Paul Tibbetts in the Enola Gay


During Gulf War I—now remember, when Gulf War I started in August of 1990, that weekend, I spent it with Paul Tibbetts. For those of you who know about American history and world history, Paul Tibbetts was the commander of the Enola Gay. He's the guy to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. When the war started I was with him and the remainder of his crew. And we talked about what happened and World War II and what was about to happen in Gulf War I. And it happened.

Gulf War I was the largest friendly fire* incident in the history of American warfare. And the reason for that is because all of the exposures that happened. When I got activated when Gulf War I started, the first few months, I spent three days of the week teaching nuclear and biological and chemical warfare preparations, and medical care and treatment. Because that's my specialty... for many many years.

  • friendly fire - noun; (Military) firing by one's own side, esp. when it harms one's own personnel Source: The Collins English Dictionary

I came into the military in 1967. I'm still in the Army. Let's see, that's 36 years and counting? I don't know. How many people usually get out at 20? How many people stay for 36 and count?

When we got to Gulf War I, what happened was a whole complex of the exposures. Chemical agents... Hey, we knew what Iraq had as far as chemical agents because of the fact that the United States gave them to them and we kept the receipt. That's the Regal Commission Report, the United States Senate prepared by Jim Two (***SP???). It was the subject of a made-for-TV movie that we did, starring Ted Danson and Mark Helgenberger, called "Thanks of a Grateful Nation." It's really neat when you write part of a movie script to have someone like Ted Danson read your lines. I only had a small bit part in the movie. You know, you sell the back of my head and I was gone.


What we did in December of 1990 [was that] we made a conscious decision at the command headquarters to deliberately and willfully blow up chemical stockpiles, along with the biological stockpiles, along with the nuclear reactors that Iraq possessed. We knew where they were. We knew what he had. This is in Schwarzkopf's autobiography on page 390, if you need further reference. I was there. 

Some ten years after the war, a couple years ago, we all got called up to Washington D.C. for the 10th anniversary of the command staff dead. I'm sitting there with the commander's, and we're talking about it. And they said "Well Doug, we sure did screw that let up." And I go, "Yeah, we did, all the way around."

All we did was hit an ice cube with a hammer. 

And all the chemicals and biological stuff came back on the U.S. troops and everybody in the region.


They made illusions to immunizations. They hadn't bothered to maintain immunizations like you're supposed to for a physician treating a patient. So, everyone got all their shots all at once. The guys were in the shorts and the women were in their bras and their shorts. And everybody walked through a line, and we put one or two shots in each arm, in each butt, then they threw them over a table and did and IGG shot.

It's a nice mess. Everyone is sick already.


When the anthrax vaccine got into the theater*, we had a direct order not to record dose, batch, who got what, what the adverse effects and everything was. This stuff wasn't temperature-regulated. And people were getting sick right away. I administered thousands of anthrax vaccines, and got three myself.

  • Theater identifies active duty service members who deployed to Southwest Asia since the 2nd yr. of the Gulf War, Aug 1 1991 until present. This includes Active Duty as well as activated reservists and national guard. Service members who served in both the conflict and the theater time periods are reported only under conflict. 
    source: http://home.att.net/~vetcenter/va-stats.htm 


Well, we blew up the reactors and DU. And I'll talk about DU a minute.


Unbelievable endemic diseases. Not only did everybody from all nations bring all their endemic diseases with them—hey, this is one big get-together-party—but the endemic diseases in the desert our unbelievable.


Any time you move a city or an army, or you blow up an infrastructure, you release toxic industrial chemicals from everything that you can think of in a city, a community and in an industry. Unbelievable releases. People are sick all over the place.


We had a significant problem. We knew the desert was dirty. [Inaudible] We got food and everything all over the place. So, we need to get pesticides. Before we left Fort McCoy, Wisconsin—you have to understand, I'm in the unit responsible for the theater environmental health and occupational safety. We were the theater experts. Well, we ordered are pesticides according to EPA guidelines, under CFR 40*, but they didn't come in. So we got over [to] the theater into our officers went out and bought everything on the open market. [He chuckles] We have NO idea what we sprayed on everybody.


Iraq absolutely possessed them, because, guess where they came from? The U.S. Army, USAMRD*. It's all in the Regal Commission Report.

What's more important—the United Nations demanded a report from Iraq that basically started this war—the missing pages detailed all of the U.S. industries in the U.S. military direct delivery of all of the weapons and chemical and biological stockpiles to Iraq. That's what happened. But that's why the pages were missing.


Unbelievable complex organic, inorganic, particulates, and heavy-metal exposures. The oil well fires started. And ladies and gentlemen, the oil well fires are going on right now. And guess who's got the contract the cleanup? 

[Someone in audience calls out, "Halliburton."] 

Yeah. And guess who owns Halliburton? Isn't it neat when you send guys to war in the company makes money? 

Dickey Cheney.

  • Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Halliburton before becoming VP. Halliburton gave Cheney $34,000,000, as a farewell gift when he left Halliburton. Halliburton is in the pipeline construction business.

Unbelievable complexities! The people were so sick right off the bat that at the command headquarters, we issued a medical directive that nobody should be anywhere near the oil fires without full respiratory and skin protection.

Now, you understand, everybody was trying to get Popsicle sticks and Q-tips. Remember Grandma and Ma said in the don't stick your finger up your nose to clean out? Hey, the only way to get this stuff OUT of your nose and your ears and our mouth was with a Popsicle stick, because you scraped it out like tar.

The health effects were all over. We issued a medical directive requiring full respiratory and skin protection, and they never got it.


All these exposures are happening and we're at the theater medical command headquarters. We're trying to get the information out. And you ask the question about control of the press and media. Flat-out, we had senior military officers who came from the Pentagon and tried to stop us from teaching, [and] tried to stop us from setting up medical care. And those are the same guys that released anthrax a few years ago on United States. The same guys. Because the only place the Ames strain of anthrax came from is U.S. Army lab at USAMRD. There's no place else that has in the world. And if you ever been up their working—and I have—you can't even get a fart out of the building.

[Audience chuckles]

So, we come to the Gulf War, and in December of 1990—now, you got understand I've been in and around the military for 23 years—I'm sitting there in and around, doing all this stuff, teaching nuclear bombs and chemical warfare, and I ain't never heard of depleted uranium until December of 1990.

I get a letter from Col. Charles Day at the Pentagon that says, "Doug, the better start thinking about depleted uranium." And I go, "What's this?" Well, we did a little research and we found out.

Then, the ground war happened. Well, ladies and gentlemen, the ground war was held up until February 25th of 1991 for three very specific reasons. No. 1; we didn't have the medical care in place to deal with chemical and biological and radiological casualties. No. 2; we didn't have to protective equipment and clothing and gas masks, enough MOPP* suits, enough gas masks filters to replace if we went to war and they used it. No. 3; we didn't have everybody educated and trained on how to use it.

  • Mission-Oriented Protective Posture (MOPP) suit are used for nuclear, biological, and chemical (NBC) warfare 

Bower's Raiders, of which I was a member—the theater nuclear, biological and chemical warfare special operations team—finished teaching the theater command staff at 1:15 in the afternoon on the day before. . .the Saturday afternoon before we started the ground war. When it was completed, the Col. Bower, who's in charge of our team, a physician, sent a message out to theater command staff that said, "The train is on time." That was a codeword for starting the ground battle—the fact that everybody was ready. Col. Orig Bower (***SP?) issued the start of the ground war.

Then they decided to use uranium munitions. And we shot the heck out of everything. Uranium munitions are probably the most effective weapon your ever going to encounter. These things are the silver bullet. They kill and destroy anything in their path. They are EXTREMELY effective. And what you need to understand, and contrary to what he saw in the media, the DU ground is not coated and it's not tipped. The DU round is solid uranium 238. The M1 tank round is over 10 pounds of solid uranium 238, contaminated with plutonium, neptunium, and americium.*

  • Uranium, Symbol: U, Atomic number: 92, Atomic weight: 238.02891 (3) g m, CAS Registry ID: 7440-61-1 . 
  • Neptunium, Symbol: Np, Atomic number: 93, Atomic weight: 237, CAS Registry ID: 7439-99-8. 
  • Plutonium, Symbol: Pu, Atomic number: 94, Atomic weight: 244. Americium, Symbol: Am, Atomic number: 95, Atomic weight: 243. http://www.webelements.com/

We've got a plastic sabot that fits in there that takes the diameter of round, which is about three-quarters of an inch [19 mm] up to 120 mm [4.72"]. The minute that thing leaves the tube—the bore of the gun—the plastic sabot falls away. And all you have is a gigantic uranium dart—just like your playing darts—moving and unbelievable velocity down range to impact anything and everything.

Looking into the barrel of a GAU-8 Avenger

looking down the barrel of a GAU-8 Avenger

For size comparison, the 30mm round above exits the barrel of the gun (below).

size of GAU-8 Avenger compared to old vw bug volkswagen

When that 10 pound uranium dart strikes wood, metal, steel, iron, or anything — this thing is already on fire in flight. The uranium is pyrophoric and very soft. Uranium is not hard. It's soft. But the density is unbelievable. Extremely heavy per unit volume. So, you got this uranium dart, that basically three-quarters of an inch in diameter, 18 inches long, moving at better than 3000 feet per second. And when strikes, you have what we call, spalling is formed.

About 40 to 50 percent [mindfully.org note: depending on conditions, approximately 50 to 70% of the penetrator is burned and forms particles 0.1 micron or smaller] of the dart breaks off and forms spalling [a shotgun effect]. The spalling is uranium fragments. Some of the stuff catches fire. And some of the stuff is just solid uranium. And what you see inside is if I took a handful of BB's and through it across this room, extremely high velocity, everything is on fire and fragments. You have secondary detonations due to concussion and ignition beyond comprehension. And the whole thing is a catastrophic explosion.

During Gulf War I, we fired approximately 380 tons of solid uranium. [In the war in Iraq, estimates by experts are that we shot between 1,000 to 2,000 tons of DU.] This is just the solid uranium component. This is NOT the shells. 380 tons of solid uranium. Now, that [number] came from the individual that actually issued the uranium munitions, who was a member of my team. Totally confirmed by the guy that sent it over from the states, Bill Hubert. And totally confirmed by the guy who issued in theater, David Kiefer (***SP?).


The GAU-8 Avenger (right) - The A10 is the only type of aircraft armed with the avenger. This 7-barrel Gatling gun is used primarily to attack targets on the ground. The GAU fires 65 rounds per second, and has a range of over 1250 m. A typical combat ammunition load is 1100 rounds of DU and High Explosives Incendiary (HEI) bullets. Ammunition is loaded in a sequential mixture in which one HEI round is followed by four DU rounds. Source: Military Use of Depleted Uranium (DU) BBC News 2002. Also see: nhttp://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/gau-8.htm 

If our calculations are correct, this gun fires over 34 pounds of depleted uranium each second, or 2,040 pounds each minute.

By providing so many illustrations we are attempting to adequately describe this weapon. 
More on the GAU-8 Avenger and Dr. Gatling, the inventor of the first Gatling gun.

US Pilot Testing The GAU-8 Avenger Gatling Gun (Warthog)
National Geographic video


We fired about 15,000 rounds of the M1-A1 10 pounds round. And we fired over a million rounds of the A-10 round. Now, the A-10 round, each individual round is 300 grams — about three-quarters of a pound of solid uranium. It's got a very slight copper shell on it, a coating just to protect the gun barrel when it fires out of the GAU-8*, but it doesn't last very long. The falls right off. That fires and a rate of 4000 rounds a minute. A TON IN HALF OF SOLID URANIUM PER MINUTE! out of an A-10. Unbelievable rates.

When this stuff impacts you get contamination that's spread all over the place. In and around the vehicle the contamination is extensive. You have to understand that the majority of casualties and deaths during Gulf War I on the U.S. side, or caused by friendly fire. That means that the U.S. shot and killed their own. The U.S. shot and wounded their own. That's other soldiers in M1 tanks shooting up our own. But, the U.S. also shot up the British. Now, when that happened, our team was REFUSED permission to provide medical care for the British. And we were refused permission to do the investigation, because the U.S. command didn't want that knowledge out that it was friendly fire from U.S.

I got a direct order from Norman G. Schwarzkopf—and he was ordered by the Pentagon—to assign me to clean up the DU mess. That's what I'm working on today. I'm still finishing that order. I'm an army officer. I'm a warrior, an honest-to-God warrior...many many years. Okay? Vietnam and Desert Storm.

Now, when I got up there, assigned to the team as the theater health physicist, and the health physicist on the DU assessment team, and also the medic on the DU assessment team—because I'm an old combat medic from the line infantry from three years, many many years ago. Because I've been military a long time and I've done a lot of different things. We got up there and we all started getting sick within 72 hours. The respiratory problems in the rashes started within 72 hours, not only on our team, but we're seeing this under friendly fire. And I immediately directed medical care for all DU casualties as the theater health physicist—according to army regulation, the person responsible for directing implementation of medical care. And I got a shit pot worth of medals for doing. But they never implemented it.

I went all over the place trying to get medical care for the individuals. If you watch some of the movies, very specifically, "Hidden Wars" and "Invisible Wars," you'll see Jerry Weed in them. Jerry Weed was in Bradley Fighting Vehicle and was shot to times by an Abrams tank 120 mm round. These guys were round-happy, shoot-em-up-happy. They see a target out there, they put their sights on it, and they pull the trigger. They don't give a shit.

[Screaming into the microphone, he says],

Abrams M1A1 Tank

M1A1 Abrams Tank

Bradley Fighting Vehicle

Bradley Fighting Vehicle

Jerry Weed's in there. He got shot up. Some guys got killed. The guy that got killed in this take, I scraped off his brains with a 6 inch putty knife. You know what it's like to scrape up body parts with a putty knife? Put them in a garbage bag? We can't bring them back to the states. We bury them in Saudi Arabia. The reality is war is death.

I went to Jerry's commander and directed medical care for him right away—coordinate his medical care with theater medical command staff. It never happened. NEVER HAPPENED.

In June of 1991, we're writing all our reports, it took our team of super scientists, engineers—some of us were already in theater, others were brought over—[it] took us three months to clean up 24 U.S. vehicles for shipment back to the United States. That's 15 Abrams Tanks, 9 Bradley Fighting Vehicles, and I buried a whole bunch in a hole in Saudi Arabi.

They've asked Dave Kiefer and I to tell them where we bury them, so they can go scrape them up. And we told them, not only, "no," but "hell no." And my commander from the Gulf War is still backing it it up. Because those have got body parts and unexploded ordinance, and radioactive contamination, and chemical contamination. And the minute you crack that cap, those suckers are going to blow up on you.

You can't mess with this stuff!

There's no on unexploded ordinance that's safe. With this stuff goes under fire everything is very unstable. Now, EOD [Explosive Ordnance Disposal] experts in the army won't touch this stuff, ladies and gentlemen, which means that the Army Contaminated Equipment Recovery team, which I'm the health physicist of—or we were as long as we were in favor—are the only guys that do it. Every single member of the army's ACERT* [Army Computer Emergency Response Team] team is under disability today with a minimum of 40 percent [disability compensation], except for one guy. And that guy just did the paperwork. Every member of the army's primary experts are sick...from exposures...from just cleaning it up.

  • ACERT conducts Command and Control Protect operations in support of the Army. It ensures the availability, integrity, and confidentiality of the information and information systems used in planning, directing, coordinating, and controlling forces in the accomplishment of Army missions across the full spectrum military operations.

It took us three months to clean up 24 vehicles. Nobody knew how to do anything. The only manual we had was technical bulletin 9-1300-278, that Rich Lazar (***SP?) wrote and put out right before Gulf War I started. Ladies and gentlemen, Rich is dead from lymphoma from uranium exposures. He's one of my best friends. That's the only thing we had. So we had to figure out what we'd do.

  • Army Technical Bulletin TB 9-1300-278: http://www.monmouth.army.mil/rso/tbtmtrs/tb9-1300.pdf  29apr03

    [TB 9-1300-278, "Guidelines for Safe Response to Handling, Storage, and Transportation Accidents Involving Army Tank Munitions or Armor Which Contain Depleted Uranium," was the Army's operative guidance for responding to incidents resulting in localized DU release. The Army published this Bulletin on November 20, 1987 and revised it in September 1990 — in time for the Gulf War — and again in July 1996. source: http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/du_ii/du_ii_tabn.htm  29apr03 

Medical care? 

Oh, we direct it.

How we clean it up? 

Jesus, I don't know.

It's full of unexploded ordinance. We've got to remove the unexploded ordinance. We've got to decontaminate. We've got the package these vehicles. And we did this. The 144th maintenance, members of the 32nd, members of the 92nd, Med battalion, members of the 12th, members of the TACOM* staff—and everybody's sick or dead. And medical care is still not being provided.

Well, what we did is we figured out how do I room out unexploded ordinance? Well, climb in there and you carefully remove it.

Jesus, we're army doctors! But there ain't nobody else doing it.

And the 144th guys are out there, basically in their combat boots and cut off cammies, doing the work, because, hey, nobody told them that this stuff was dangerous, and they need to wear full respiratory and skin protection.

In March of 1991, I started getting letters. You have to understand, I got a direct order through Gen. Schwarzkopf, from the Pentagon, be assigned by name to clean up the mess. To this day, I have no idea why they picked me. And I can guarantee you that they wish they never did picked me.

[Audience laughs softly]

I got a letter in the memorandum I came from Los Alamos. The famous Los Alamos memorandum. And in this memorandum it was very very clear "Thou shalt right you're after-action report such that they do not reveal the health and environmental consequence of uranium munitions because they will become politically unacceptable." [That's] a direct order.

I'll be dammed if I'll lie for the military.

Then, I got another direct order...

[Audience applauds loudly and whistles for an extended period of time]

... then I got another order [that] came down from the Defense Nuclear Agency*, written by Col. Gregory Lyle. And Greg Lyle said, "is not only DU a health risk," he said, "it's a serious health concern." Col. Lyle, at that time, worked for Col. Yasaf Durokovic. Now, you people who hear about Yasaf Durokovich, a doctor, uranium medical research program. But they failed to tell you that he was the U.S. Army's top doctor in this stuff until he blew the whistle. You have to understand, he was the army's expert—a physician, a Ph.D. M.D. physician—until he blew the whistle.

They don't like to hear this from the experts.

So, all this stuff is coming about. We're seeing all of the problems. We're trying to get medical care. I can't get medical care for friendly fire casualties. We're working our butt off. We're doing everything we possibly can. Medal after medal for doing all this stuff. You know, we did medical directives right away.

Well, we got up in there and in June of 1991, theater medical commander issued a medical directive for treatment of DU casualties—locating, evaluating, treating soldiers with retained depleted uranium shrapnel. That was 13 June 1991. Medical directive. To this day it's never been complied with.

In here, every unit that had casualties was listed. We knew every person that was hit. We knew every person that had high-level exposures—over 400 of them, every name, what unit they were in. And it's still never been complied with.

All this stuff keeps I'm going on. We come back and we start writing our reports. I mean, we were writing reports, we're trying to get medical care. We're trying to get everything done. We not only had this thing about doing the depleted uranium, I also had the responsibility for the capture equipment project, which means that I had the responsibility for doing the assessment on Iraq's military weapons capability and hazardous materials associated with it. Hey, I got on medal from this commanding general for doing the work.

Hey, we knew in 1991 that Iraq didn't possess any defensive, much less offensive capability. So why do we go to War in Gulf War II? They were barely capable of protecting themselves as history is proving again over the last three weeks. It was a cakewalk. There was no combat, other than we blew everything up.

Well, we're getting all of these directives. In March of 1991, another thing came down from Rich Lazar, through the army command. And in here, it point-blank said that this uranium dust, the majority is going to go into the body, and 43%, just like Leuren [Moret] explained from her research, goes right into the bloodstream. The other stuff sits in the lungs and irradiates in the long forever at 300 millirems per hour beta gammas, at about 10,000 alpha... you know, counts per minute alpha particles. That's what she talked about. Ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you how fast the lungs get scar tissue. They are trashed right away.

So, the 1943 medical directive, what we call the Groves memorandum* [Leuren Moret] talked about, talks about all this stuff. My own medical records verify that they were right in '43, along with everybody else's. It just keeps on going in going and going. Directive after directive after directive.

In 1992, the United States Army was GIG (***SP?), ie; found guilty of willful violation of United Sates Code under the National Environmental Protection Act—NEPA*. I got a call from the University of Illinois to the U.S. Army Construction Energy Research Laboratory—CERL*—to ensure that I put together the programs that the United States military would comply with NEPA.

[Doug chuckles]

Well, we had some fun doing that one. And if you been reading recently, the military is trying to get out from under compliance with environmental laws. It's in the new congressional bills.

They're crazy.

Well, anyhow, while we're there, United States Army Environmental Policy Institute* got a directive from the United States Senate—a written directive—to come down and conduct studies on the health and environmental effects of uranium on the battlefield. And in this directive, one of the things that was very very specific, is to figure out ways to reduce the toxicity of uranium munitions—a written directive from the Senate.

IF IT AIN'T TOXIC, why does the Senate have to tell the U.S. Army to find ways to reduce the toxicity? 

Duh. That's because everybody knows its toxic. You can't do this.

While we're doing that, I get a directive from the United States Department of State*, because we're doing environmental, to write up to theater cleanup plan to clean up Iraq, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia of all uranium munitions. So, Col. David Lindsay, who was actually my commander during the Gulf War for the DU and capture equipment project, Dr. Gary Brinkley, one of the foremost EOD experts—unexploded ordnance experts... demolition experts in the world—and myself wrote up to theater cleanup plan. We passed it up through General Paul Greenberg, on all the way up through the Secretary of the Army, who passed it across to the Secretary of State, who passed it up off the emirate of Kuwait. Guess who we ordered to write the cleanup plan for?

[Doug screams] BROWN & ROOT!

[Audience laughs]

Who owns Brown and Root?

[Audience answers "Halliburton"]

And who owns Halliburton?

Dickey Dick Cheney

[Audience answers "Dick Cheney"]

[With a comical tone of voice] Dickey Cheney. God, I love it when a plan comes together.

[Audience laughs]

[Mimicking Dick Cheney]  Got'a send people to war so my company can make money.

It never stops.

In June of 1993, while it doing all this stuff, I was directed by Col. Eric Daxson to write and after-action report on the health and environmental effects, and all this stuff, and make recommendations through the Surgeon General of United States Army on what to do to solve the DU project.

And I did!

I had a great time doing it. I covered everything. Okay? [I] identified all the training requirements, identified the medical requirements. They were loving us! [In a hushed voice] ...as long as we stayed to what they wanted.

From this letter, and everything else General Eric Shinseki—now, you have to understand ladies and gentlemen, that we are at War right now. Okay? The purpose of War to kill and destroy-the chief of staff of the army is general Eric Shinseki.

Guess who sent your sons and daughters into War? 

Eric Shinseki.

Back in 19 August of 1993, General Eric Shinseki—General Eric Shinseki—signed an order directing—DIRECTING THAT—"provide adequate training for personnel who come in contact with DU, complete medical testing, and develop the cleanup plan."

Hmmm. Jesus! And these generals and complying with it? And that a UCMJ* violation for court-martial? It sure is as far as I know in all my years in the military.

Well, it ain't never been complied with.

In October of 1993, the United States was going to battle in this little old backward country called Somalia. We were going to use uranium munitions in Somalia against ox carts.

And that neat? 

Let's see. I got a DU round, the thing catches fire when it leaves the bore of the gun, I need food, so therefore, when I should this ox, it'll be killed and cook and ready to eat.

[Audience laughs nervously]

We got this stopped. But we didn't get a medical directive issued by Col. Peter Myers, by directive of the Surgeon General, by directive of the Secretary of the Army, and the Secretary of Defense, requiring medical care for all DU casualties.

Direct quote, "Medical care will be provided for a) being in the midst of smoke from DU fire as resulting from the burning of vehicles uploaded with DU munitions or depots in which DU munitions are being stored; b) working within environments containing DU dust or residues from DU fires; and c) being within a structure or vehicles when it's struck with DU munitions."

It still covers everything. 

[It] required a radio bioassay within 24 hours for all U.S. soldiers. This is in 1993. Well, it ain't never been complied with today. 

Now, if that's a medical directive that's required for U.S. soldiers, [then] that's a medical directive that has to be required for all coalition soldiers—our allies. But, when you win a white (???)war, according to the Geneva convention, that's the medical care that must be provided to the enemy.


And I'll be dammed if they're doing it.

Well, we put all this stuff together, and I'm sitting at the University of Illinois having a field day. I've already come back from CERL , we're I did NEPA, and worked on the API (Armor Piercing Incendiary) study. And all of a sudden, I get a letter from the army that says, "Congratulations, [stuttering] you've won the Cupie doll again.* You're going back on active-duty as the director of the depleted uranium project."

  • Refers to a prize won at a carnival game.

Now, this is 1994. A lot of years passed. At this time, they sent me a letter and it says, direct quote, "on the other hand, you may find the resources a bit austere, since the army does not expect funding to be available until physical year 1996. What this means is; you have no travel budget and no assistance, at least officially. We have found, however, that many people in the army are anxious to help in any way they can."

[Audience laughs]

[Dr. Rokke laughs]

Yeah! That's kind of like...you want to play Russian Roulette? And they issued me one bullet for the gun. And then they put it in and they spun the cylinder and put it up to my head.

It never stopped.

Well, we fooled them. We got the job done. And, in 18 months, I did their research in the Nevada test site, where we literally blew up all kinds of Soviet equipment. I have the Marines from 29 Palms* m'am. Were's that Marine mother? [Referring to a woman in the audience] God almighty, the Marines from 2009 Palms are some of the best shots with an Abrams and a Bradley fighting vehicle you'll ever encounter in your life.

I put an "X" on my tank at 3000 meters and they hit the "X."

They didn't bother to tell them that they're trashing themselves. You know? They don't bother to tell you that.

So, we did all this research. I burned Bradley fighting vehicles, measured the level of contamination, determined how to clean it up, determined out the extent of contamination. I found out within 20 to 50 meters I absolutely had to have full respiratory and skin protection. Now, that's absolutely into the common task training manual for uranium exposures (Common Task Test)* for all military. It's absolutely there.

Then, we went back the next year and I blew everything up. This is the Nevada Test Site (NTS) in Mercury, Nevada, area 25*  ]. The famed area 51 is over the hill. There ain't no spacemen there, just weird airplanes.


So, we got a call done. Real honest-to-God research. Not something and a laboratory with a textbook. Not under laboratory controls, like you want to do as a scientist for peer reviewed publications, but honest-to-God research, under real-world conditions. It's a heck of a difference ladies and gentlemen.

At about this time, the U.S. Army Environmental Policy Institute (AEPI)* report* finally came out in 1995. We're working all this stuff, and working on it all the years we're doing their research, and the U.S. Army's own report to the Senate stated, direct quote, "No available technology can significantly change the inherent chemical and radiological toxicity of DU. These are intrinsic properties of uranium."*

Now, we went to Gulf War II a few weeks ago, and if you watched your media and everything, and if you called to talk to Congressman Jim McDermott, the U.S. military said that all the warnings of risks about the health and environmental effects are Iraqi propaganda, and other nations trying to prevent uranium munitions from being used.

JESUS! Come up here and read the documents. They're from all of us and all of the U.S. Army's primary experts. [It's] not Iraqi propaganda. [It's] reality, going back to 1943 in the Groves memorandum.

We did all this work. We put everything together. I put a 40-hour training program together—tier 1,2, and 3. I wrote, directed, and acted in two videos. I was the technical adviser for about three more. And we had the best education and training program, with video support, they could be produced for the Department of Defense. And actually, I had officers from England, Australia, Canada, and Germany involved. NATO countries all approved this stuff [referring to the training program.]

Well, the stuff all got shelved because they didn't want the troops to know the health and environmental effects of the uranium munitions. Because, when I did to work as the army's expert, I reached one simple conclusion. I can't clean it up; and I can't provide medical care; and the army will not dedicate the amount of time necessary for education and training to make sure people can safely operate it.

When I went and as the director of the DU project, my total intention was to ensure that the military could use uranium munitions in combat, simply because the job is to kill and destroy. And what I found out, when I did their research, is that you can't use them because you can't clean up and you can't do the medical. I reached that conclusion and I told him so. I can guarantee you that they didn't like that conclusion coming from their expert. They were really, really unhappy.

So, or putting all this stuff together. We got training directive after order after order, all the way up to the deputy secretary of Defense, or during the education and training to be done. And it's never been done. We got order after order or during medical care for everybody. And it's not been done.

In 1994, while I was director of the DU project, the U.S. Department of Energy finally, even though the army refused, and the department of Veterans Affairs refused to do it, did a radio bioassay on me personally. They didn't bother to tell the army they were doing it. They just did it because we're working at a U.S. Department of Energy site-Nevada Test Site, Mercury, Nevada.

They get the test results back in January 26, 1995, that I personally was excreting uranium at 432 micrograms per liter urine. That's well over 1300 micrograms per day. They never bother to tell me for 2 1/2 years. Another reason they knew, is when I went in for my physical when I went back on active-duty. They found all the respiratory and the calcified granulomas, which is the radiation scar tissue [from the picture that Leuren held up of a "Hot Particle in Lung Tissue 

I'm trying to get education and training done. I can't get it done. And trying to get medical care done for the friendly-fire casualties. The can't get it done. I'm trying to get environmental cleanup. I wrote to plan, and I can't get it done.

In May of 1997, I coordinated with Tamara Lyons (***SP?), who is in charge of the comprehended and clinical evaluation program for the United States military for Gulf War illnesses, to provide medical care for all my staff and the friendly-fire guys. I put a letter of to a certain general's office, Col. Charles Kelsey, naming him by name. These guys never got care. It's up here. They're dead! They're dead!

One of my best friends, John Sitton, the guy who put the medical communications together for the entire theater, the guy that Dennis got all his medical evacuation through with radio communications, he got zapped with all of the stuff that he did, treating, putting care together, and everything together all over the place for the medical evacuation. The only way that you got medical evac was John Sitton getting it up there, wasn't that Dennis? It's the only way it happened.

In 1997, John had developed fast-growing lymphoma cancer from all the exposures. I called up trying to get in medical care. We couldn't get it. He was denied medical care at Danville VA Medical Center, and Danville IL. I called up the Surgeon General, the Secretary of Defense, try to get his medical care. They refused to give it to him. [They said,] "There were no exposures. He wasn't there. Nothing happened to him medically." One day, there was a fire, and his records disappeared.

Wednesday night, 10:30 in the evening, right before John died, I got a phone call from his pastor of said, "Doug, John wants to talk to you. He's dying." I got through on the phone to the hospital in Springfield, IL. The nurses put me on the line, and John says, "Doug, your my best friend." Not only are we best friends in the military, but we're best friends in civilian life. John says, "I want to take my children on a fishing expedition on Lake Michigan to go out salmon fishing. Can you said it up?"

He's dying of cancer. We mobilized the team-kind of like our own make-up-wish. We got an ambulance. They took him in a gurney. They took him to Chicago. Put him on a salmon fishing boat, on a hospital bed on the back of about. And he went fishing with his sons and his family. He got back on Monday. And he died on Tuesday.

[He was] denied medical care by the U.S. department of Veterans Affairs and the department of Defense-one of America's true heroes.

Man, after man, after man.

The matter what we did, the matter who we talk to, the medical care was refused.

Kathleen Sullivan, one of your foremost journalists in California at the San Francisco Examiner and Chronicle, in 1998, sent a set of questions of the Pentagon regarding DU. And in there, she knew the answers. And she said, "What about all these regulations requiring medical care and treatment for everybody?" And the answer came back, and I got it up here, saying, "We don't have to give them medical care to them." And she asked about over-exposure to radiation and medical care for that according to army regulations. Now, she's already got the army regulations. She's already had a legal analysis, and knows what's required. And the Pentagon, Col. Bob Cherry, sends the saying back and says, "Over-exposure is not applicable to the deployed army."

Jesus Christ.

Do you want your sons and daughters exposed to radiation with NO LIMITS because the chief in the Pentagon says it's OK?

1998, Office of the Secretary Of Defense, office of Special Assistance to Gulf War Illnesses gave the briefing to the President of the United States-Billy-Boy Clinton. And in this briefing, they said, point-blank, that they knew that your 424 individuals that had high levels of uranium exposure. This is just our team. Friendly fire, the maintenance 144th, the battle damage assessment, my team, the EOD experts, 424 people. But in 1998, they hadn't even notified half of the friendly fire casualties that needed medical care. In fact, they only notified 120 individuals in 1998.

If you've heard the briefings recently, they're giving medical care to 90 people. Hell, I'm one of the 90. I ate in up their since of March of 1999.

To you ever call your doctor when you are sick and unique medical care, and they don't return your phone call?... for four years?

[Audience chuckles]

Ain't it grand?

Despite all of the directives, time after time, we kept getting it going, we couldn't get it done. Finally John Hamre (***SP?), in January of 1999, sent a directive requiring training and education for all soldiers in the military. And the sent as directive to Warren Rudman. Ladies and gentlemen, you have to understand that Warren Rudman is the hit-man for administration to cover up everything.

The chairman of the joint Chiefs, the Undersecretaries of Defense, the Chief of Staff of the Army, that's Eric Shinshaki (***SP). So, the sending an order to Eric Shinshaki saying, "you've got to comply with your own order."

Wait a minute. Eric issued it in August of 1993. And the Secretary of Defense is telling him to comply with his quarter in 1999? What happened to six years?

Chief of naval operations, commandant of the Marine Corps...

[Looking directly at a woman in the audience who is the mother of a Marine]

Ma'am, you tell your son to stay home. You tell them to go to hell.

[Audience applauds]

Well, and I keep going on. They hadn't done yet.

In March of 1999, I got a letter from the Secretary of Defense [quite animated and excited, pretending to be the Secretary of Defense]... "Doug's out there, pestering us again, man! We told him to clean this mess up and to medical care, and he still doing his job." Now the Secretary of Defense, Bernie Rostker sent a letter in March of 1999, and says, "The law prohibits us from giving medical care to the people were being exposed."

I'm going, "What?"

That's astonishing. The guy is denying medical care in violation of the law. But he is immune to prosecution.

The saying goes on and says, direct quote, "In fact, during and after the Gulf War physicians and health physicists, and the Office of the Army Surgeon General made a professional assessment of the exposures and determined that bioassays were not required."

He sent this letter to me in March of 1999, and he tells ME & MY STAFF & MY BOSSES that WE WHO WROTE THE DIRECTIVES FOR MEDICAL CARE NEVER WROTE THEM.

[Audience laughs]

Who is a criminal here?

And it goes on and on and on.

The problem you have with uranium munitions is that it contaminates air, water, and soil. It causes immediate health effects, within 72 hours. And there's no question about it, because it happened to me and my staff, and my team, and the friendly-fire casualties. And they refused to provide medical care for the U.S. casualties. And they're not doing it now [in the current War in Iraq].

On April 14th, last week, Dr. Michael Kilpatrick, deputy Secretary of Defense, in charge of deployment medicine for the United States Department of Defense, deliberately and willfully stated to the world that they will not cleanup uranium contamination in the Gulf, caused by Gulf War II, and they will not provide medical care. And he cited as the reasons for this, Dr. Peckra Vistra (***SP?), from the United Nations, who's in charge of United Nations environmental program, and also Dr. Brian Spratt, who's the head of the British Royal Society.

This is really neat. The deputy Secretary of Defense is citing these guys are not cleanup. Well, back on March 30th, a couple weeks before, Pekka Haavisto, who I work with at the United Nations, and Karen Parker or who you've also heard from, heard about, sent me an e-mail that said, "Hey Doug, we did what you told [us to do], we told the United States to cleanup uranium contamination in the Balkans because it's trashed.

Now, wait a minute. On April 14th, the deputy Secretary of Defense is saying that we don't have to clean it up and he's citing the United Nations. But two weeks before, United Nations had told him to clean it up. It doesn't add up.

Brian Spratt jumped right into this too the other day, and the point-blank told the United States to cleanup. They don't care.


The problem you run into its clinging to mess up. In order to cleanup uranium contamination-you have to understand that I've been in every U.S. vehicle that's been hit. I had the responsibility to clean it up. I had the responsibility to develop all of the procedures. I didn't ask for this job. I was ordered to do this job. [It was] a direct order. And its up here if you want to read it. [I got] multiple direct orders to do it. The Army made me their expert. I didn't ask for it. But what I learned from DIRECT field research, not sitting behind a desk as a frigging lab rat, but as can honest-to-God on-site engineer and scientist who's in the nitty-gritty blowing things up.

You've got to remember, I'm just a science teacher, ladies and gentlemen. I teach high school biology and environmental science today... because I became persona non grata.

I was director, after I did the DU project, I was offered and accepted a position as director of the Edwin R. Bradley Radiological Laboratories, as a scientist, as a physicist, as an educator, as a military officer. That was the pinnacle of my profession—the top job in my field in the United States. And when I told them they have to clean up the chemical, biological, and radiological contamination, and provide medical care and kept up with that, because that was my task, I became persona non grata.

And when United States continued on under Project Shad to deliberately release chemical and biological warfare materials on US citizens, as they did with Bacillus globigii (BG) in 1996 on the residents of Calhoun County, in Anniston, Alabama. I went to the Army you've got to clean up [and] provide medical care.

  • Bacillus globigii is used as a biological tracer for anthrax because its particle size and dispersal characteristics are similar to those of anthrax.

I did that before the weekend, and when I came back on Monday morning I was persona non grata. They had my office packed. They took my keys. They put me under house arrest for a month. That's what happens when he tell the U.S. they can't release chemical and biological materials on American citizens. And I'll tell you, how much they did out here in California, read Project Shad directives. Go look it up. You won't believe it. And it continues to this day.

In 1993, a directive was sent to the U.S. Department of Energy Affairs, the Department of Defense that makes Joseph Mengele looked like Captain Kangaroo. For those of you who don't know, in world history, Joseph Mengele was the Nazi death camp doctor. In this written directive, in March 1993, the United States Department of Defense told the doctors of the VA and the Department of Defense to leave uranium shrapnel and contamination within the soldiers that received it during Gulf War I. The purpose was, direct quote ladies and gentlemen, "Quantification and documentation of radiological heavy metal toxicity and radiological cancer and tissue necrosis risks of embedded uranium fragments by:

  1. Measuring and documenting uranium levels in each soldier by using in vivo and in vitro techniques.

  2. Determine the parameters and models needed to translate uranium levels into the body into estimates of increased cancer risk from exposure.

  3. Comparing the clinical course of the body's response to uranium fragments with that of other nonuranium fragments to determine whether clinically significant differences exist, due to either chemical or radiological properties of depleted uranium and;

  4. Determine the risk of chronic kidney toxicity due to the long-term chronic exposure to elevated levels of uranium.

In the history of mankind, the deliberate order to leave radiological and toxic materials in American soldiers for testing will go down in history—beyond comprehension—as a crime against God and humanity. [Holding up piece of paper] It's right here.

In this same directive, they point-blank stated that anybody that is excreting less than 14 micrograms per day of total uranium in their urine—now, remember we excrete about three leaders of urine per day. That's about how much urine to pass. So, at 14 micrograms per day, you're required annual testing for urine chemistry, uranium in the feces, tissue analysis, whole-body counting, regional counting, uranium in the skeleton, uranium in the blood, blood chemistry, clinical evaluation, and diagnostic imaging.

If your excreting greater than 14 micrograms per day, and you're between 14 and 50 micrograms per day of solid uranium, you're testing must be quarterly. If you excrete between 50 and 250 micrograms per day, your testing his monthly. You're going to have kidney toxicity. If your excreting at 250, then your testing must be weekly in kidney toxicity.

In 1995, the U.S. Department of Energy verified that I was excreting uranium in my urine at over 1400 micrograms per day and they didn't tell me for 2 1/2 years. That's what they did to the project director. I hate to tell you what they did to Dennis indicates that he treated, and the kids you saw in the video. And they haven't given to the Iraqis, where the coalition warriors, or the citizens of Okinawa; or Vieques, Puerto Rico; at Hunters Point; off the coast of Seattle; in Maryland; in Nevada; in New Mexico; in Florida; in Iraq; Kuwait; Saudi Arabia;; Scotland; Germany....

Beyond comprehension.

The use of uranium munitions in war leaves a toxic waste and residue that cannot physically be removed. From my own research in the Nevada test site and during the Gulf War, you have to physically removed the destroyed structure or building entirely. You have to then completely package that up. If you watch the videotapes that I developed for the U.S. Army with first-hand research, you'll see that we packaged them up COMPLETELY like a Hershey's kiss. And we took and transported those to some facility to process them. In the case of the United States, we sent 24 vehicles back to Barwall, South Carolina, Savannah River, U.S. Department of Energy research site, called the defense consolidation facility.

It took three years to cleanup and dispose of 24 U.S. vehicles.

  • The Department of Defense erected a highly secret $4 million facility in Barnwall, South Carolina just to detoxify 22 military vehicles hit by friendly fire. Some of the vehicles are so badly contaminated that they have had to bury them (Wall Street Journal, New York, 10 June 1991).

A total of 320 tons (290,300 kilograms) of DU projectiles were fired by the U.S. during the Gulf War
	· 260 tons  Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt IIs (Warthogs)
	·  10 tons  U.S. Marine Corps AV-8 Harriers
	·  50 tons  U.S. Army and Marine Corps M60 and M1A1 Abrams tanks


The "Highway of Death" is thousands of vehicles alone. Alone.

All over Iraq, we have thousands of vehicles-and if you haven't watched it, The Palestinian Hotel that they shot up last week, that was DU munitions.

How about that?

Let's see, how big was that hotel?

Cruise missiles, Bunker Busters...all over the place.

You have to physically removed the entire destroyed piece of whatever it is. Then you have to pick up every penetrator, because these penetrators are solid rods of uranium that irradiate for 4 1/2 billion years at 300 millirems per hour if you pick them up.

What Pekka Haavisto found, and what Brian Spratt found, and what everybody found out is that all over where they've been shot up, the kids-these things are really neat looking-pick them up and play with them. The U.S. soldiers were picking them up and carrying them all over the place. They tied them on a chain and put them in their back pocket or tied them around their necks, didn't they Dennis [Kyne]? They're really neat looking things.

Then you have to get a bulldozer, and scrape down to six inches, out to about 100 meters, and physically remove all that contaminated dirt. I'm saying 100 meters even though I confirmed and measured it out to 400 meters. We'll be conservative and say 100 meters. This is for each and every vehicle.

We ain't done it in Okinawa. We ain't done it anyplace else. They haven't done it up here at Hunters Point. They sure as heck haven't done it in Iraq, and they sure as heck he can do it now. And that's what Dr. Michael Kilpatrick point-blank stated on April 14. So, as soon as he said that, I called the Secretary of Defense. You've got to remember that I still have the 800-number.

[Audience laughs]

Bauer's Raiders is so damned good that they still call us when they have a problem. You don't understand that we were all just university scientists think that called into active duty. Because the Army hasn't got the medical or scientific capability to do it without...you know...without the civilians.

They don't have it. They don't have.

What we have found out, and what disturbs me for most is that after they made that directive, I called the 800-number, and I talked to him and I said, "Hey, have Barb or Austin or Mikey call me." Dr. Michael Kilpatrick is a friend [of mine]. We just disagree. Okay? He's the chief doctor and charge of the Department of Defense.

It doesn't matter that congressional hearings held by Christopher Shays and Bernie Sanders, about three weeks ago, verified that the Department of Defense, with the acknowledgment and approval of Dr. Kilpatrick, refused to provide the redeployment physicals mandated by Congress and the Department of Defense regulations for all the soldiers who got deployed to Gulf War II.

It's in the records. Call up the congressmen, they'll verify that they refused to do it. [It's a] direct violation. They don't care.

So, I called up there, and Austin Comachu (***SP) called me back up on tax day, [at]about 9:30 in the morning, and says, "Hi Doug! Hey, by the way, you're right. We aren't going to provide medical care, and we're not going to clean up the environment."

And I [said], "Austin, are you crazy?"

[Audience laughs]

And he says, "No, that's the policy decision. We don't have to, because there's no health and environmental effects."

And I [said], "Then why are my guys sick and dead?"

They don't care. They don't care.

[Dr. Rokke gasps]

I'm going all over the place, talking to anybody I can do finish my job.

Today, ladies and gentlemen, the United States department of Veterans Affairs has formally acknowledged that over 250,000 Gulf War I veterans are now permanently disabled due to Gulf War illness. A quarter of the million, over one-third of the force of our nation's finest sons and daughters are sick with that whole host of things that Dennis and Leuren went over.

It's far worse than that. The coalition soldiers are seeing it at the same proportions. But the citizens of Iraq, whether they be the enemy soldiers or the women and the children are devastated by health effects [that are] reported ad nauseum by the World Health Organization and every other group—Kathy Kelly, the Pope's emissary. In the medical care and treatment it [the DU] was prevented from being taken off.

Couple years ago, I was called to Rome, to meet with the NATO, the Department of Defense, and the British Ministry of Defense people, and the Pope's representative on the Human Rights and Justice Commission, as a consequence of the contamination in Kosovo—in the Balkans. The reason I was called over with Dr. Yasaf Durokovic and Carol Pico (***SP) was because on April 16th of 1999, Denise Nichols (***SP?), Rosalie Bertelle (***SP?), and myself, and another individual, were called to the White House to discuss uranium contamination with the Presidential Oversight Board, by directive of the president of United States.

And we told him, "Don't use uranium munitions in Kosovo, or were going to see all the health and environmental effects."

Well, it happened. And they don't care. And they don't care. And they don't care.

It continues to this day.

The reason that medical care was never provided to the U.S. friendly-fire casualties, and the radio bioassay was never done, is because if it was done you would find the high levels of uranium exposure. And when the people got sick you have a direct correlation between exposures and adverse health effects, as predicted on October 30th of 1943 to General Leslie Groves.

It's not a question....not a question.

I wish it wasn't happening.

In war, the object is to kill and destroy. When we destroy the entire infrastructure of the nation, we release all for hazardous materials on detonation. When we shoot the place up with uranium munitions, we leave a toxic waste land that you can't clean up, and that you can't provide medical care for.

I wish to hell that you could. You can't.

And so, what we see today, ladies and gentlemen, is that war has left a toxic waste land where ever it's been done because of the technological devices to make war so simple. But also we've destroyed our infrastructure—where the infrastructure today has gone is "Better Living through Chemistry"...you know, the old thing from ACS [American Chemical Society], many years ago—but we can't clean up the contamination.

Ladies and gentlemen, as an army officer, whose obligation is not only to the generals and the president, but to God, I'm here to tell you war is obsolete.

[Audience applauds loudly]

When you speak up, you become persona non grata. When the Army's experts spoke up on the health and environmental effects of you uranium than munitions, and the environmental effects of war and combat, they all became persona non grata. They lost their careers. They lost their jobs. They had their houses ransacked. They had attempts to run them off the road. They have IRS audits all the time.

Back in December 26th of 1999, I did a 60-Minute story on DU. We burned the Secretary of Defense on that story. Within 24 hours every member of that whole story got IRS audits.

[Someone can audience laughs]

Geez, it was pretty neat.

They finally awarded me my disability—40% disability for combat injuries from Gulf War I, for uranium exposure—the medical records are up here, cut and dry. And when they issued that to me, they said "Well Doug, we'll give you your medical care. Will give you your disability. But we want you to stop speaking.

[Audience laughs]

Kinda neat, huh?

[Audience laughs again]

You wouldn't believe the number of jobs that I've been offered if I would stop talking.

[Audience laughs again]

[Doug says with glee] I could boost my salary up from $500 a month backup to $100,000 a year. But I ain't going to sell out.

[Audience applauds very loudly for an extended period of time with whistles and hoots]

Now, when I didn't stop talking, to try to get medical care and environmental cleanup, they came up with a new trick. The United States department of Veterans Affairs is garnishing my disability paycheck...

...to pay for my medical care at the VA!

[Audience laughs]

It never quits.

It never quits.

I need your help. What I need you to do is to let everybody know that today supporting the troops means that you ensure that they have: 1) equipment that is not defective, which means that they are issued gas masks and chemical protective clothing that is not defective. The troops were sent to Gulf War II with defective equipment. [It's] totally confirmed by a United States General Accounting Office report. Totally confirmed by U.S. Army research on the functioning and capability, and the wearing of the gas mask. [Doug asks comically] Guess who did that for the Army?

[Doug laughs heartily]

I got another medal for that want too. But I shouldn't have told them what I found. So they did that. The soldiers must have all the military education and training that they need.

[Speaking of Dennis Kyne, who is in the audience] Dennis is an old frontline infantry combat type, over there. Probably one of the foremost military units in the Army.

Those of you who've been in the military, no when you're using small arms tactics, you're going into small areas, you're going into a house, that you spread out. Okay? You spread out...you know...you've got 5, 10, 15 meters between each other when you're going in. When you watch all the soldiers [on TV] doing this stuff Iraq, they run in with their head up the other guys ass...literally! One grenade or one burst of machine gunfire is going to kill them all.

Col. Dave Hackworth and died, and a whole bunch, we've written more and more, and talked to the military trying to get proper education and training because they don't know what they're doing.

Photo: David Solana The Daily Illini 18apr03

Photo: David Solana
The Daily Illini

Last Friday, ROTC, University of Illinois, The Daily Illini, the newspaper for the University of Illinois, took a picture of ROTC troops training for war with an M-16 laying outside the campus building, and the middle of the U of I campus, with the picture taken in front of the guy aiming M-16! That's what they're teaching our kids today.

I sent a letter up to the ROTC commander. I sent a letter to the deputy chief of police for the University of Illinois, who happens to be a friend because I'm on their advisory board.

We got an e-mail back today, and Dennis, the police chief said he jumped all over the Colonel already about this...big-time. This is [what] they're teaching our kids!

Weapons training? There's something wrong here.

And finally ladies and gentlemen, supporting the troops means that when they come back from war they have the full medical—that means physiological and psychological care that they earned defending our nation—a matter who they are, no matter what war they served in, whether they were in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Gulf War I, and now, Gulf War II.

The United States department of Veterans Affairs has stated explicitly that they are unable to accept any more individuals for medical care and treatment in their system. They can't provide medical care for two of us in this room that are already disabled due to previous combat injuries from service to our nation because we got a 200 day waiting period to get and for medical care if we can get it.

And now, we just to the greatest of our sons and daughters to war again to bring them back and dump them in our streets without any medical care. And Dr. Michael Kilpatrick has stated that he's not going to give it.

What's wrong with this picture?

Today—I don't even know what town we went in—they took me to see the beach. A hardly ever see the ocean. I live in the middle of cornfields. I live on a farm in the middle of cornfields in Illinois. And they took me... [asking someone in the audience] where do we go to?

[Someone in audience answers]

To the boardwalk. Okay? It was really neat. You know?... Clint Eastwood movie was made there. I'm walking [and thinking], "Hey, this is where Clint Eastwood was at when they made the movie." We came back and stopped in this community...[asking someone in the audience] what was the name of this town?

[Someone in audience answers]

Los Gatos. I understand that that is the richest community in this area. Well, there's some guys out there [supporting] the troops with flags and signs. So, we went around and went back, and I was going to invite them to the talk tonight.

[Audience laughs]

Support the troops! You know? This is my job!

[Audience applauds]

So we stopped, rolled down the windows, and introduced ourselves. [I said], "I'm Major Rokke, Army medical officer. This is Drill Sergeant Dennis Kyne. A drill Sergeant—the guy that trains the troops, and he's still trains the troops. Okay? Can we invited them, and we said, "By the way, we need medical care for these guys."

And they go, "What?"

"You know. Medical care?"

[They respond], "What do you want us to do?"

And so, we kept talking to these guys, saying, "Well, we've got a quarter of a million sick. I can't get medical care. The VA just last the budget by $25 million. Now we go to war. They don't have the medical care abilities. [Comically Doug says] And these guys got mad at us.

Now, I'm sitting there. He's in the back seat. I'm in the front seat. And all of a sudden, I look up, and this guy is getting madder and madder. He takes the American flag and he's coming in the like I am Mount Sebastian at Iwo Jima, trying to plant the American flag in my ear!

[Audience laughs]

[That was] this morning. And all I asked them to do was to help me get medical care for American warriors!

[Audience laughs heartily]

I've been called the Communist. I've been called a traitor. But I'm still serving our nation.

Ladies and gentlemen, helped me... help our veterans...helped the nation, and help the citizens of the world. If we continue to go to war, and we continue to contaminate God's environment, we will continue to make the citizens of the world sick. But more important, were going to continue to kill the children of the world. And, I don't know if you've ever been to war. But I can guarantee you, there ain't no atheists and a foxhole. And no matter what religion you are, or what culture you come from, there's a prophecy—"And a child shall lead them to peace." But he kill the children of the world, where's the child going to come from that leads us to peace?

Thank you.

[Audience stands and applauds]


Dr. Doug Rokke Speaking in Los Altos, CA 21apr03 photo by Paul Goettlich

Photo by Paul Goettlich

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